America's War on Crypto

pmbug · May 3, 2023

The crypto industry recently held a Consensus 2023 industry event in Austin, Texas. It was a 3 day event featuring numerous panels/sessions with speakers/representatives from both crypto and non-crypto companies/industries as well as representatives from various government regulators.

The event covered many topics including:

efforts by large, mainstream companies like PepsiCo that are looking for opportunities in the crypto space
a merger of traditional finance with blockchain governance
plans by large banks to innovate in tokenizing traditional-financial assets

Crypto isn't just the wild west purview of money launderers and dark web ne'er do wells. There is serious financial/corporate activity happening in the crypto world now.

Valid Criticisms or Propaganda?

Anti-crypto voices have tried to vilify the crypto industry on environmental concerns - claiming that crypto consumes too much energy. However, like most nascent technologies, they evolve with innovation when there is sufficient interest.

Bitcoin (BTC) was the first crypto coin and it was built on a "proof of work" model. This model is energy intensive by design and it also didn't scale well for handling a large volume of transactions. So, "proof of stake" crypto were developed that were orders of magnitude more efficient and scalable. Ethereum (ETH) transitioned from a proof of work model to a proof of stake model for this reason - and it's still not done being developed. Stellar (XLM) was developed on another "proof of agreement" model that claims to be several more orders of magnitude more efficient than proof of stake models - and even more energy efficient than traditional finance like credit cards:

Electricity Consumption of a Distributed Consensus Algorithm | LUP Student Papers

The efficiency of proof of work and proof of stake based cryptos are still being improved in many cases by the development of new technologies like parallel blockchains (aka parachains, cross chains, etc.) that distribute transaction loads and zero knowledge proofs (which could be very significant for Bitcoin in particular).

In addition to the developers of various crypto projects being sensitive to the energy costs from a design standpoint, the decentralized network of node operators (and bitcoin miners) that implement the crypto protocols (than operate the computer servers on the network) are also increasingly using more green energy sources:

... There has also been a shift toward using more renewable energy sources to power cryptocurrency mining. One 2020 study found that around 39% of the energy consumed by PoW cryptocurrencies is from renewable energy sources, up from 28% reported in a previous study. This percentage is likely to rise as renewables become more affordable in the future.
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Biden's 30% Crypto Electricity Tax May Be Too Blunt A Solution

In his latest budget for Fiscal Year 2024, President Biden has proposed a new tax on electricity use from cryptocurrency mining.

www.forbes.com

Crypto Threatened by Government Hostility

The Biden administration has been very open about their hostility to the crypto industry:

January 30 said:
It’s a safe bet that 80-year-old President Biden—like his 76-year-old predecessor—has never bought Bitcoin, used a stablecoin, or tried out Web3. But that didn’t stop Biden’s underlings at the White House from issuing a blog post on Friday, decrying crypto as predatory and dangerous. The document reads like a diatribe and even has a whiff of moral panic—as if Biden had instructed the makers of Reefer Madness to turn their attention to digital currency.
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The Biden White House just rolled out some of its most anti-crypto language yet. They may regret it

The White House rolled out an aggressive anti-crypto stance that could come to bite Democrats in the long term.

fortune.com

Mar 22 said:
The White House Council of Economic Advisers delivered a 35-page takedown of the idea that digital assets like Bitcoin are useful as an alternative to government-backed currency, the claim that crypto’s underlying distributed ledger technology could have some utopian application, and the notion that it could serve as a hedge against inflation.

“Although the underlying technologies are a clever solution for the problem of how to execute transactions without a trusted authority, crypto assets currently do not offer widespread economic benefits,” the council writes. “They are largely speculative investment vehicles and are not an effective alternative to fiat currency. Also, they are too risky at present to function as payment instruments or to expand financial inclusion.”

The extended crypto criticism, which fills one chapter in a book-length annual report the White House sends to Congress each year, represents a stark change in tone from President Joe Biden’s administration.

One year ago, Biden signed an executive order asking federal agencies to look at ways of curtailing the risks of crypto without stifling “financial innovation.” This week’s report makes clear the White House thinks crypto can’t innovate much besides the same kinds of financial disasters that prompted Congress to regulate the banking industry a century ago.
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White House Slams Crypto As Offering 'No Widespread Economic Benefits'

The Biden administration has soured on crypto after several high-profile industry failures.

www.huffpost.com

Crypto faces similar hostility within the legislative branch from a group of Senators led by Elizabeth Warren.

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Now, influential Democrat senator Elizabeth Warren has signaled she's "building an anti-crypto army" as part of her re-election campaign following a warning from crypto lobby group Coin Center that a crackdown on TikTok could pave the way for a bitcoin ban.

"I’m in this fight to put our government on the side of working families," the former U.S. presidential hopeful posted to Twitter, embracing a quote from a recent Politico profile that said she's "building an anti-crypto army."

Warren, who is on the Senate Banking Committee that oversees the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), has been at the vanguard of a slew of anti-bitcoin and crypto bills that have been introduced over the last year.
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Elizabeth Warren Is Building An ‘Anti-Crypto Army’—Feeding Serious U.S. Bitcoin Ban Warnings

Bitcoin and crypto companies are struggling with the growing possibility that the U.S. is trying to "quietly" ban bitcoin...

www.forbes.com

Three Pronged Attack

The American government is currently employing a three pronged attack on the crypto industry in an attempt to suffocate it.

Prong number one makes headlines in most news media and involves the SEC purposefully maintaining vague guidance and attacking companies with lawsuits. Their behavior has been so egregious that it has drawn dissent from their own ranks and from Congress. The SEC has apparently been tasked to be the Biden administration's Shawshank warden Samuel Norton in obtusely responding to the crypto industry. There really isn't any other way to explain SEC chair Gensler's blatant hypocrisy.

Prong number two has flown under the radar of most news media and involves the revival of Operation Choke Point - an Obama era program that aimed to de-bank lawful industries that the administration disfavored. The operation was shut down circa 2017, but is now making a comeback targeting the crypto industry. Cooper & Kirk, a law firm that sued FDIC, OCC & Fed over the original Operation Choke Point, published a detailed summary of Operation Choke Point 2.0.

Former Congressman Barney Frank, a board member of Signature Bank, alleged that the bank was solvent and seized by regulators to debank it's crypto clients. The move sparked contagion in the regional banking industry and prompted some members of Congress to question the FDIC's actions. When the FDIC solicited bids for Signature bank, they split off Signature's crypto clients effectively de-banking them.

The third prong involves legislation and executive orders designed to handcuff the crypto industry including increasing taxes on bitcoin miners and regulations.

Stablecoins - Kind of a Big Deal

Stablecoins, such as US Dollar Coin (USDC) and Tether (USDT), are cryptocurrencies that are backed by national currencies. They are essentially tokenized forms of the underlying legal tender they represent. Unfortunately for the Federal reserve, US Treasury Dept., etc., they enable transactions that do not process through the US banking system. As such, they have drawn particular interest from the Biden administration.

Stablecoins provide an open door for global entities to conduct dollar denominated transactions that could bypass US sanctions. They provide an opportunity for people in nations with high inflation to save money in dollar denominated currency that bypasses official dollar exchanges (or prohibitions). The adoption and growth of stablecoins would appear to be a direct threat to any possible plans for a Central Bank Digital Currency (CBDC).

Futile and Stupid Gesture

The Biden administration's effort are provoking a chilling effect of the domestic crypto industry and forcing much of America's leadership in innovation and development to expatriate to friendlier shores. What the Biden administration does not appear to realize is that crypto is global. They are not going to be able to choke the global industry with an iron fist. Pandora's box has been opened. The crypto industries will continue to innovate and grow with new financial and commercial applications. It will be a true shame if America abdicates their position in leading the charge.

pmbug · May 8, 2024

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I think it's fair to say that the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission’s (SEC) investigations and enforcement actions against crypto companies has now escalated into an all-out legal war, with crypto companies filing lawsuits and rolling out entire press approaches to tackle the SEC.
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Breaking it down

Last month, Ethereum developer ConsenSys pre-emptively sued the SEC for injunctive relief. The firm asked a federal court in Texas to block the regulator from investigating it, bringing charges against the MetaMask wallet or MetaMask services and to declare ether (ETH) a not-security. In an unredacted version of the suit filed later, ConsenSys alleged that the SEC launched a formal investigation into whether ETH was a security (though the SEC does not appear to have actually come to a conclusion yet, based on the filing).

They join the DeFi Education Fund and a company called Beba, who sued the SEC at the beginning of the month, the Blockchain Association and Crypto Freedom Alliance of Texas, who sued earlier in the week over how the SEC is defining a "dealer" and a company called Lejilex, which wants to launch a crypto exchange literally called "Legit.Exchange." Each of these lobby groups or companies has been sued on various charges. Still, they share the same fundamental view: that the SEC is overstepping its boundaries in how it regulates crypto or that the fundamental question of how crypto fits into securities laws needs a more definitive answer.

It’s a growing tactic among crypto companies, which pointedly filed in federal districts known for being less than wholly supportive of the administrative state.
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More:

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/05/08/the-crypto-lawsuit-state-of-play/?

pmbug · May 8, 2024

The U.S. House of Representatives voted Wednesday to approve a resolution rejecting Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) cryptocurrency accounting guidance that the industry said has deterred banks from handling crypto customers, but President Joe Biden is already promising he'll veto the effort if it hits his desk.
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https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/05/08/house-poised-to-vote-on-erasing-sec-crypto-policy-while-president-biden-vows-veto/

pmbug · May 9, 2024

This could have fit in the crypto crime thread or the We the People forum (once charges are actually filed), but IMO, it really belongs here because this isn't about crime - it's about the War on Crypto. It's really about the fundamental issue at the heart of it all.

On April 24, two lead developers of Samourai Wallet (SW), the most-advanced privacy-centric wallet in the bitcoin ecosystem, were arrested and charged with money laundering and money transmitters offenses by order of the United States Department of Justice (DOJ). This is just the latest assault of an escalating war waged by US regulators on financial privacy and freedom.
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The actions of the DOJ are not by chance but by design: the objective is not to combat crime but to drain liquidity from crypto tools that make it possible for individuals to escape the traditional financial system. ...

More (highly recommended):

The Arrest of Samourai Wallet Developers Shows the US Government Hates Privacy and Freedom | Mises Institute

As federal prosecutors expand the government's definition of crime, more and more people are swept up despite the fact they have harmed no one.

mises.org

pmbug · May 13, 2024

A bipartisan pair of U.S. senators is questioning Attorney General Merrick Garland about the "unprecedented interpretation" of law the Department of Justice (DOJ) is using to pursue cryptocurrency software services as unlicensed money-transmitting businesses.

Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.) sent a letter to Garland questioning the approach against such firms as Samourai Wallet and Tornado Cash, highlighting that the Treasury Department's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) has previously held that non-custodial crypto services shouldn't be treated as money transmitters.
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https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/05/13/us-senators-question-justice-departments-pursuit-of-crypto-mixers/

The letter:

May 9, 2024

Hon. Merrick Garland
Attorney General of the United States
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20530

Re: Money Transmitting Business Registration and Non-Custodial Crypto Asset Software

Dear General Garland,

We write to express our grave concerns regarding the U.S. Department of Justice's (DOJ) recent policy arguments that dramatically expand the scope of the Federal prohibition on operating an unlicensed money transmitting business.1 The DOJ's unprecedented interpretation of this statute in the context of non-custodial crypto asset software services contradicts the clear intent of Congress and the authoritative guidance of the Department of the Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN). This interpretation threatens to criminalize Americans offering non-custodial crypto asset software services.

The Federal money transmitting business statute (18 U.S.C. § 1960) makes it a criminal offense to “knowingly conduct … an unlicensed money transmitting business.”2 Criminal liability applies when a person: (1) was required by a State to become licensed as a money transmitter; (2) when a person is required by Federal law to register; or (3) if the person is engaged in money transmission (whether registered or not) and is engaged in illicit finance.3

The Bank Secrecy Act (31 U.S.C § 5330) defines “money transmission” as “accepting currency, funds, or value that substitutes for currency and transmitting the currency, funds, or value that substitutes for currency by any means.”4 The use of the term “accepting” which is commonly defined as “to receive (something offered) willingly”5 provides clear evidence that Congress intended a requirement that a money transmitter have taken control of users’ assets as the sine qua non of activities within the scope of the statute.

FinCEN regulations mirror this language regarding acceptance and transmission. The relevant rule states that money transmission “means the acceptance of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency from one person and the transmission of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency to another location or person by any means.”6 The statutes and regulations are clear that direct receipt and control of assets are required elements of money transmission. Indeed, this limiting factor is essential, otherwise a wide range of additional services such as internet service providers or postal carriers could inadvertently be caught in the definition of a money transmitting business since they routinely send, receive and process information and messages regarding payments.

Consequently, non-custodial crypto service providers cannot be classified as money transmitter businesses because users of such services retain sole possession and control of their crypto assets. At no point when operating or providing non-custodial services do such service providers "accept" crypto assets from their users. At all times, users retain exclusive custody and control over the private keys to their crypto assets. All transactions are signed and processed on the user’s local device without third party access.

Consistent with Congress’ intent, statutory language and existing regulations, FinCEN has consistently taken this same position in published guidance that non-custodial services are not within the scope of money transmission registration requirements. Over a decade ago, FinCEN published guidance which explained that activities which “involve neither ‘acceptance’ nor ‘transmission’ of the convertible virtual currency . . . are not the transmission of funds within the meaning of the Rule.” 7 Additional FinCEN guidance from 2019 further confirmed that the definition of “money transmitter” is anchored in the custodial function of the putative registrant with relevant factors including “where the value is stored” and “whether the person acting as an intermediary has total independent control” of the assets.8 FinCEN explicitly held that “in so far as the person conducting a transaction through the unhosted wallet is doing so to purchase goods or services on the user’s own behalf, they are not a money transmitter.”9 Contemporary analysis of this 2019 guidance by law firms clearly establishes this fact as well.10

Consequently, as the primary interpretive authority for the Bank Secrecy Act and Federal money transmitting business registration requirements, FinCEN has clearly established that non-custodial crypto asset software—where the developer or publisher of the software does not have unilateral control of user assets—are not subject to money transmitting business registration, just like existing internet service providers are not required to register when routing data packets between a customer and their bank. It is very concerning that DOJ would adopt an interpretation of this registration requirement that is contrary to another Federal agency.11 This makes it difficult for ordinary Americans to determine what their legal obligations are.

This reasoning also comports with common sense. Assets like Bitcoin may be natively digital, but they are not amorphous such as heat or electricity. Bitcoins have a clear unilateral owner at all times. If a user wishes to transfer Bitcoin to someone else, they use their private key to sign a transaction which transfers the Bitcoins to a new address. At no point in the transaction process is there uncertainty over where ownership resides. Custody and control are, therefore, the logical touchstone of where “acceptance” and “transmission” occurs on Bitcoin or other crypto networks, just like traditional assets. Analogies to heat or data transfer via USB made by the DOJ fundamentally misunderstand how this technology operates.

The DOJ should not diverge from the clear, logically sound, and well-established definition of “money transmission” established by FinCEN. Subjecting developers of non-custodial crypto asset software to potential criminal liability as unregistered money transmitters contravenes the well-established interpretation of this provision and will only serve to stifle innovation and shake confidence in the DOJ's respect for the rule of law.

We urge you to discard this flawed interpretation of Section 1960. Safeguarding the rule of law and nurturing the development of transformative technologies are not mutually exclusive, we expect that the DOJ can chart a wise course that accomplishes both.

https://www.lummis.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/Lummis-Wyden-Letter-on-Non-Custodial-Crypto-Asset-Software.pdf

pmbug · May 17, 2024

pmbug · May 17, 2024

Twitter/X is on fire this morning with folks mocking Elizabeth Warren over this.

pmbug · May 21, 2024

House Financial Services Committee Ranking Member Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) and House Agriculture Committee Ranking Member David Scott (D-Ga.) – the leading Democrats on their respective committees – have sent an email to Democratic members of the House of Representatives saying they "strongly oppose" H.R. 4763, the Financial Innovation and Technology for the 21st Century Act (FIT21), but are not whipping their members against the bill Politico reported.
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FIT21 is supported by a coalition of digital assets organizations and companies, including Coinbase, Kraken, Andreessen Horowitz and 50 others, as it provides a regulatory framework for the digital assets industry, its supporters say, which is something the U.S. currently lacks.

The bill creates a definition for whether a digital asset is a security or a commodity, expands the CFTC's authority to register and regulate digital commodities, and requires the CFTC and SEC to jointly issue rules for assets not otherwise classified.

Democrat House Leadership Says Crypto Bill Vote Won't Be Whipped

Ranking members strongly oppose this bill as written, an email obtained by Politico reads, but will stop short of putting it to a whipped vote

www.coindesk.com

Consider this news coming on the back of the twitter bomb about the ETH ETFs. Is the tide starting to turn in DC?

pmbug · May 22, 2024

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Mike Novogratz, CEO of Galaxy Digital, also said the latest development indicates Democrats are changing their tune on crypto in the lead up to the 2024 elections.

“But assuming, you know, the market is right, and the market is usually pretty smart, it feels like someone at the Biden White House made a call and said, guys, we can’t be the party against crypto anymore,” Novogratz said during an interview with CNBC’s Squawk Box on Tuesday. “I think that’s a seismic shift. If those things actually happen, prices are going to be much higher than here.”

Novogratz reiterated his point for clarity, saying the Democrats don’t want crypto to cost them the election.

“I am sensing a widespread shift amongst Democrats that don’t want to let crypto be a big election issue,” he said. “The crypto super PACs (Political Action Committees) have raised over $150 million, and they have targeted Sherrod Brown and Jon Tester, elections that matter dearly to Democrats in swing states, in vulnerable Senate seats.”

Novogratz stressed that “Crypto should be bipartisan. And quite frankly, for our industry to do well, it needs to be bipartisan.”

“It has been really Elizabeth Warren and a small group of people that have held the Democrats hostage on this,” he concluded. “What the Senate broadly said, Chuck Schumer being the Senate leader who voted to overturn against Elizabeth, was, enough, enough. Like, this is becoming dumb. And so I’m sensing a real shift.”

As crypto popularity rises, Democrats pivot messaging to avoid upsetting key voting block

The Kitco News Team brings you the latest news, videos, analysis and opinions regarding Precious Metals, Crypto, Mining, World Markets and Global Economy.

www.kitco.com

^ Finally some common sense beginning to reign in the bullshit from Elizabeth Warren.

pmbug · May 22, 2024

pmbug · May 22, 2024

Nice.

searcher · May 23, 2024

^^^^^

U.S. House Approves Crypto FIT21 Bill With Wave of Democratic Support

The U.S. House vote goes 279-136 to approve the Financial Innovation and Technology for the 21st Century Act with a very strong showing from House Democrats.
The passage of the crypto market-structure bill marks the industry's most significant legislative accomplishment in Congress.

The crypto industry recorded its biggest-ever U.S. policy win on Wednesday when the House of Representatives approved a wide-reaching bill to establish regulations for digital assets markets, recording a 279-136 vote that saw Democrats crossing party lines to support it.

More:

U.S. House Approves Crypto FIT21 Bill With Wave of Democratic Support

The House's passage of the digital assets legislation passes the crypto baton to the Senate, where odds remain low for decisive action.

www.coindesk.com

pmbug · May 23, 2024

pmbug · May 28, 2024

A federal judge has ordered the United States Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) to pay roughly $1.8 million in attorney and receivership fees related to the regulator’s civil case against Digital Licensing, the firm doing business as Debt Box.

In a May 28 filing in the U.S. District Court for the District of Utah, Judge Robert Shelby signed off on an order requiring the SEC to pay roughly $1 million for attorney fees and costs and $750,000 for receiver fees and costs. The order came the same day as one dismissing the case without prejudice.

The judge cited a March ruling in which a court found the SEC “engaged in bad faith conduct” over a temporary restraining order to freeze Debt Box’s assets. The firm later filed documents with the court claiming that the commission’s information was inaccurate, leading to the threat of sanctions.

The sanctions against the SEC required the commission to cover “all attorney fees and costs arising from the improvidently entered ex parte relief.” Judge Shelby essentially ruled that all costs requested by the defendants in the case were “appropriate,” except one $649 fee.
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https://cointelegraph.com/news/judge-order-debt-box-sec-fees

Great job Gary.

pmbug · May 30, 2024

The U.S. Department of the Treasury is not attempting to ban cryptocurrency mixing services, a top official said Wednesday.

Speaking at CoinDesk’s annual Consensus conference in Austin, Brian Nelson – the Treasury’s Under Secretary for Terrorism and Financial Intelligence – addressed the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network’s (FinCEN’s) 2023 proposal to classify mixers as a “primary money laundering concern” and require virtual asset service providers (VASPs) to report any crypto transactions that involved mixing to the agency.

FinCEN’s proposal – along with an increasing number of enforcement actions by the U.S. Department of Justice against mixing services including Tornado Cash and Samourai Wallet – have been seen by many in the industry as evidence of a coming attempt to ban crypto mixing in the U.S. entirely, which the Treasury is firmly denying.
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U.S. Treasury Isn’t Trying to Ban Crypto Mixers, Top Official Says

FinCEN’s 2023 proposal to require crypto companies to report transactions that involved mixing is about transparency, not banning mixers, said Brian Nelson, U.S. Treasury undersecretary.

www.coindesk.com

No one with at least 2 brain cells is buying what Mr. Nelson is selling.

pmbug · May 31, 2024

Biden doubles down on stupidity:

A Message to the House of Representatives on the President's Veto of H.J.Res. 109 | The White House

TO THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES: I am returning herewith without my approval H.J.Res. 109, a resolution that would disapprove of the Securities and Exchange Commission’s (SEC) Staff Accounting Bulletin No. 121 (SAB 121). SAB 121 reflects considered technical SEC staff views regarding the...

www.whitehouse.gov

Joe King · May 31, 2024

pmbug said:
Nice.

Why do we want crypto's regulated? It'd be better to just apply the 10th Amendment to it by leaving it in the realm of The People, imho.

Someone_else · May 31, 2024

Joe King said:
Why do we want crypto's regulated? It'd be better to just apply the 10th Amendment to it by leaving it in the realm of The People, imho.

Agreed. They are a payment method, and of course some are better than others. When some choose to use these, they are risking their money in favor of easy payment. It is like when I decided to use paypal for my ebay sales. I read all the horrible stories about paypal, but I finally signed up after taking safety measures.

Paypal has fought against the claim that they are a bank, and should not be regulated as one. How are the "crypto" currencies any different?

And what exactly is the benefit from using one of these "crypto" currencies? I do not want my financial and buying details to be public knowledge. Nor do I want Jeff Bezos to have that same information. The same for ebay. Now, what?! What is a good answer to the question?

pmbug · May 31, 2024

Joe King · May 31, 2024

Someone_else said:
Paypal has fought against the claim that they are a bank, and should not be regulated as one. How are the "crypto" currencies any different?

They shouldn't be.

Someone_else said:
And what exactly is the benefit from using one of these "crypto" currencies? I do not want my financial and buying details to be public knowledge. Nor do I want Jeff Bezos to have that same information. The same for ebay. Now, what?! What is a good answer to the question?

If ya do it right, which to be honest I'm not sure is even possible any more, no one would know if "you" even have any. I got mine for cash on a street corner using a pseudonym. Also used to be able buy at bitcoin atm's where you just stick cash in and out popped a receipt with your bitcoin on it. No ID required, and no cameras on it. It was just a small metal box on the wall of a local restaurant. Not sure if those even exist anymore. They may have been regulated out of business by now. I ain't bought any for years now.

If people woulda jumped on it back when I was talkin' it up on GIM2, all y'all could be in the same boat, but there were too many actively trying to scare people away from it back then, 'cause they was scared of it for some reason, and they grossly outnumbered me and the few others trying help members get some.

Edited to add: now everyone is gonna eventually be roped into using a cbdc instead, just like I said 8 years ago was gonna happen. If the masses had jumped on it back then, the gov wouldn't have been able to do anything about it. Now enough time has passed for it to be regulated to death.

Edited again to further add: there was one guy on Gim2 who I bought $50 worth for, and mailed him the atm receipt for it. It's now worth North of $3K. That's a 6500% increase as of today. What else has gone up that much?

pmbug · May 31, 2024

pmbug · Jun 1, 2024

Joe King said:
Why do we want crypto's regulated? It'd be better to just apply the 10th Amendment to it by leaving it in the realm of The People, imho.

It's not about "wanting it regulated". It's about wanting regulatory clarity. The Biden admin's War on Crypto - using the SEC as a litigious bulldog (you might beat the rap, but you won't beat the ride) while laws and regulations about what is legal are not settled/clear is casting a chilling effect on the entire industry (here in the USA at least). It limits investment (increases risk), drives innovation overseas (companies/developers leave the USA) and curtails the American market from access to innovations (many crypto services right now simply prohibit access to potential USA customers - the entire country is blackballed).

Someone_else said:
Agreed. They are a payment method, ...

Paypal has fought against the claim that they are a bank, and should not be regulated as one. How are the "crypto" currencies any different?
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Not all crypto are equal. It's a developing/evolving industry/technology. There are many crypto projects that are much, much more than just a payment method. Unique use cases are still developing. I've posted a bit about this subject in various threads/posts including:

Crypto 102 article - provides an overview of the subject
Tokenization - a "killer" use case that will eventually disrupt many traditional financial markets
DePIN - Applying the decentralized business model of Uber or AirBNB to just about any service; including:
- cloud computing in the case of THETA/TFUEL as a potential growth vector with AI
- road navigation with real time hazard mapping in AtlasNavi
Identity verified but anonymous, secure and auditable voting

That list will only grow in time. This industry is still very, very young.

Joe King said:
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If ya do it right, which to be honest I'm not sure is even possible any more, no one would know if "you" even have any. ...

It is definitely still possible. There are numerous on ramps to acquiring crypto from KYC compliant exchanges to less rigorous pay with a credit card (even pre-paid "burner" cards) and get crypto ramps to just having a private party send you some in a private exchange. Even in the case of acquiring crypto via a KYC compliant ramp, you can easily (with a hardware/self custody wallet solution like the Ledger Nano) create multiple wallets and move things around (paying a small amount of gas/transaction fees for each transaction - the price for true privacy) to break the traceable chain of custody. Services like simpleswap.io let you do this without the need for using a mixing service.

Joe King · Jun 1, 2024

pmbug said:
It's not about "wanting it regulated". It's about wanting regulatory clarity

Only clarity I want, is no regulations. It needs to be the way it was in the beginning. Ie: people doing what they want when they want with their own property. All gov does is fuck shit up.

pmbug said:
while laws and regulations about what is legal are not settled/clear is casting a chilling effect on the entire industry (here in the USA at least). It limits investment (increases risk), drives innovation overseas (companies/developers leave the USA) and curtails the American market from access to innovations (many crypto services right now simply prohibit access to potential USA customers - the entire country is blackballed).

Imo, that just opens the door to banks, big business, etc taking it over. Ie: the same ones that fuck th People on everything else.

Anything good the People try doing for their own benefit, just ends up ruined by those types. Cryptos needs to be hands off, by the gov and their ilk. They ruin everything and are the cause of virtually every problem we face today.

There's never been a more useless and parasitical group of people than the ones who've weasled their way into running those institutions.

pmbug · Jun 1, 2024

The United States Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) will continue its regulation-by-enforcement approach to the cryptocurrency industry for as long as it can to satisfy its goal of “choking” the industry, according to crypto exchange Coinbase.

“The SEC is serious about the destruction of digital assets,” Coinbase declared in a May 31 filing with the U.S Court of Appeals in its ongoing effort to push the court to force the SEC to begin making fair rules for the crypto industry.
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https://cointelegraph.com/news/us-sec-crypto-exchange-coinbase-complaints-appeals-court

pmbug · Jun 3, 2024

... the Supreme Court of the United States issued two important cases which will likely have wide ranging impacts for Bitcoin and crypto. The decisions are National Rifle Association of America v. Vullo (NRA) and Cantero, et al. v. Bank of America, N. A. (Cantero).

In NRA, the Court addressed a critical issue impacting not only traditional advocacy groups but any disfavored, but legal, industry. This ruling draws parallels to Operation Choke Point 2.0, where U.S. regulators have allegedly been targeting crypto businesses through financial exclusion. Moreover, the recent Cantero decision sheds light on how this legal framework might impact Custodia Bank's appeal against the denial of their master account by the Federal Reserve.
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Conclusion

The Supreme Court’s decisions in NRA and Cantero both provide steps toward addressing Federal overreach related to Bitcoin, impacting both Operation Choke Point 2.0 and Custodia Bank’s access to the financial system. While NRA is more immediately useful, and I believe will be used in short order to attack aspects of Operation Choke Point 2.0, and de-banking of legal but disfavored industries and individuals, Cantero seems to suggest that Custodia is on solid ground in its appeal. But on a more general level, it further exposes the unrestrained nature of the modern administrative state that we also saw deployed against Bitcoin mining in the EIA case.
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More (details, details):

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/legal/nra-cantero-cases-implications-for-operation-choke-point-2-0-and-custodia-bank

The two decisions are also discussed in their own threads here:

SCOTUS: - NRA v Vullo - Strange bedfellows (ACLU defending NRA)

ACLU to represent NRA in NY free speech challenge “The government can’t blacklist an advocacy group because of its viewpoint.” https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/aclu-to-represent-nra-in-ny-free-speech-challenge/ar-AA1lfVC3

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SCOTUS: - Cantero v Bank of America

Holding: The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit failed to analyze whether New York’s interest-on-escrow law is preempted as applied to national banks in a manner consistent with the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010 and Barnett Bank of Marion Cty., N. A. v...

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searcher · Jun 4, 2024

pmbug said:
Missed this one from this past week:

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...bt-box-sanctions-fiasco-bloomberg/ar-AA1ntbUo

Update:

SEC to Shutter Office Behind Failed DEBT Box Crypto Lawsuit

The judge dismissed the SEC case against DEBT Box last week, after the regulator filed for dismissal without prejudice.

The Securities and Exchange Commission's Salt Lake City office – notorious in the crypto world for its failed fraud lawsuit against DEBT Box – will shut down after seeing "significant attrition" among its staff, some of whom were pushed out over the case.

SEC lawyers Michael Welsh and Joseph Watkins resigned in April after a federal judge sanctioned them for committing a "gross abuse of power" in seeking to freeze the assets of Utah-based crypto company DEBT Box on misleading grounds. Just last week the judge dismissed that case and ordered the SEC to pay DEBT Box $1.8 million in legal fees.

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SEC to Shutter Office Behind Failed DEBT Box Crypto Lawsuit

The judge dismissed the SEC case against DEBT Box last week, after the regulator filed for dismissal without prejudice.

www.coindesk.com

pmbug · Jun 6, 2024

The charged political landscape around cryptocurrencies continues to get more electric as lawmakers in the House are looking to implement a House Appropriation budget that could prevent the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) from implementing its controversial Staff Accounting Bulletin 121 (SAB 121).
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Crypto fans rejoiced at the rare bipartisan approval achieved in both chambers of Congress, but the celebration was short-lived as President Biden vetoed the legislation late on Friday.

Numerous lawmakers, including Senator Cynthia Lummis (R-WY), vowed to continue fighting against the measure, which many in the crypto industry say will only serve to stifle innovation and put the U.S. even further behind more welcoming jurisdictions.

And it didn’t take long for the next step in the battle to emerge as FOX Business reporter Eleanor Terrett reported on Tuesday of the appearance of a new item on the docket for the House Appropriation budget bill set to be debated on Wednesday.

“Look what has found its way into a @HouseAppropsGOP budget bill that is set to be marked up at a hearing tomorrow at 8:30AM EST,” Terrett tweeted. “One of the provisions, or ‘policy riders,’ of the bill prohibits the @SECGov from using appropriated funds to implement SAB 121, as well as its controversial climate disclosure rule.”

“It also provides the SEC with just $2B in overall funding in fiscal year 2025, compared to the $2.59B requested by @GaryGensler earlier this year,” she added. “It also cuts back funding of the SEC’s ‘aggressive’ Enforcement Division by $168M.”

“I’m told the bill will likely pass on party lines tomorrow and then will have to be negotiated with any appropriation bill the Senate passes,” Terrett said. “But positive news for the SAB 121 policy rider is that many Senate Dems also voted to overturn SAB 121, including @SenSchumer, so it’s likely that the provision will be kept in when the final bill ultimately finally gets voted on.”
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House pushes back against Biden veto as crypto sees rising prominence in Washington

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pmbug · Jun 10, 2024

Some perspective on how various forces are at work within the government with respect to crypto:

The Honorable J. Christopher Giancarlo served as the 13th chairman of the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission. He also was a member of the U.S. Financial Stability Oversight Committee, the President’s Working Group on Financial Markets and the Executive Board of the International Organization of Securities Commissions. Giancarlo is also the author of CryptoDad—The Fight for the Future of Money, an account of his oversight of the world’s first regulated market for Bitcoin derivatives and the coming digital network transformation of financial services.

In this discussion we cover the current regulatory landscape in crypto, the outlook for new pieces of crypto legislation, whether the U.S. is falling behind the rest of the world, and how a Trump vs. Biden presidency will impact the industry over the next four years.
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‘Elizabeth Warren’s Anti-Crypto Wing Is A Shrinking Iceberg’, Says Former Top Regulator

Former CFTC Chairman Christopher Giancarlo believes that momentum on pro-crypto legislation in the U.S. is making an outcast of Senator Elizabeth Warren and other lawmakers opposed to the industry.

www.forbes.com

pmbug · Jun 10, 2024

A piece of legislation with heavy implications for the digital assets sector made it through the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence's funding package recently without most in the industry – and many in Congress – apparently aware of it, but industry insiders consider its chances for survival to be limited.

A Senate bill meant to fund U.S. intelligence operations included a section borrowed from an earlier bill aimed at preventing the use of cryptocurrency to support terrorism. That provision, as written, could require a massive shift in the crypto industry toward identifying users' identities to prevent sanctions that could strangle digital assets businesses. Were it to become law, it would mark the most important U.S. crypto policy yet adopted – and all without significant debate about its merits.

This section of the intelligence funding effort would speed and automate the process to sanction "foreign digital asset transaction facilitators" – including crypto exchanges – that are linked to users who support terrorism groups.

Though the Intelligence Authorization Act cleared the committee in a unanimous 17-0 vote, its crypto section wasn't mentioned publicly nor listed among the major provisions of the bill when Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.), the committee's chairman, announced the passage in a press release. Now, Warner's office has been setting up meetings with people in the crypto sector to talk about that section, according to three people familiar with the discussions, and the Digital Chamber, an industry lobbying group, confirmed it's among those in the talks.

The dialogue suggests the matter is still in play as the spending package advances toward wider Senate consideration, potentially within the must-pass National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).
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Senate Bill Could Open Crypto to U.S. Sanctions, but Industry Trying to Head It Off

The industry says a surprise section in a recent spending bill could slam crypto with sanctions threats, but a key Senate office is now meeting with digital assets sector insiders.

www.coindesk.com

pmbug · Jun 16, 2024

pmbug · Jun 17, 2024

David Hirsch, a senior member of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission crypto oversight unit has left the organization, he posted on LinkedIn on Monday.

Hirsch was the chief of the crypto asset and cyber unit in the Division of Enforcement at the U.S. SEC.

"This past Friday was my last day with the SEC after almost 9 years," Hirsch said in the post. ...

U.S. SEC's Crypto Enforcer David Hirsch Quits

Hirsch was the chief of the crypto asset and cyber unit in the Division of Enforcement at the U.S. SEC.

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Hopefully Gensler is next.

searcher · Jun 19, 2024

Crypto firm Consensys says US regulator has closed inquiry into Ethereum 2.0

June 19 (Reuters) - The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission has closed its investigation into the blockchain protocol Ethereum 2.0, cryptocurrency firm Consensys said in a post on social media platform X late on Tuesday.

The firm filed a lawsuit seeking an injunction against the U.S. SEC in April over regulation of the Ethereum blockchain.

Consensys founder Joseph Lubin said on Wednesday that the SEC's decision to close the inquiry marked "a significant victory" for Ethereum.

More:

https://www.reuters.com/legal/crypto-firm-consensys-says-us-regulator-has-closed-inquiry-into-ethereum-20-2024-06-19/

pmbug · Jun 20, 2024

pmbug · Jun 27, 2024

Crypto exchange Coinbase (Nasdaq: COIN) has initiated a lawsuit against the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) to obtain documents on the agencies’ approaches to cryptocurrency regulation.

Coinbase’s chief legal officer, Paul Grewal, explained in a series of posts on social media platform X on Thursday: “Financial regulators have used multiple tools at their disposal to try to cripple the digital-asset industry.” He noted that the SEC “has claimed sweeping authority, but refuses to provide any rules, let alone consistent or coherent ones.” Additionally, he stressed that the FDIC “pressured financial institutions to cut off the industry from the banking system.” Grewal added:

Today we filed lawsuits under the Freedom of Information Act for requests we made over a year ago seeking important information to which we, and the public, are entitled.

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“We asked the SEC for documents about closed investigations to shed light on how the SEC views its newfound, sweeping (and unlawful) authority. One of those investigations, which only recently closed, focused on ETH, which the SEC publicly announced is not a security in 2018. And the other investigations have been closed for years. But the SEC stonewalled our requests,” he detailed.
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Coinbase Sues SEC, FDIC for Transparency on Crypto Regulations – Regulation Bitcoin News

Coinbase has filed a lawsuit against the U.S. SEC and FDIC to obtain documents on their approaches to cryptocurrency regulations.

news.bitcoin.com

pmbug · Jun 28, 2024

SEC still prosecuting the war on crypto:

Does the Biden admin think the cryptosphere is blind to what's happening?

searcher · Jun 29, 2024

Judge dismisses SEC charges against Binance and CZ

Amy Berman Jackson, a U.S. District Judge in the District of Columbia, has dismissed several charges brought by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) against Binance Holdings Limited and its founder, Changpeng Zhao (CZ).

The charges dismissed relate to secondary market sales of BNB and the Simple Earn program. However, other charges, including those related to Binance’s initial token offering and ongoing sales, will proceed.

The SEC’s complaint alleges that Binance, CZ, and their affiliates violated the Securities Act of 1933 and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

More:

MSN

searcher · Jul 1, 2024

Coinbase Stock Jumps After DOJ Appoints Coinbase Prime as Custody Partner

Key Takeaways

The U.S. Marshals Service, a division of the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ), has selected Coinbase to handle its cryptocurrency custody and trading needs, the company said Monday.
The deal is said to be valued at $32.5 million and is focused on handling large-capitalization digital assets that have been forfeited to law enforcement.
The announcement comes at a time when Coinbase is facing its own legal battles with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC).
Coinbase shares were up almost 6% in late Monday afternoon trading after the DOJ contract announcement.

The U.S. Marshals Service, which is part of the Department of Justice, has selected Coinbase Prime to handle custody and advanced trading services for large-capitalization digital assets that have been forfeited to law enforcement, according to a Coinbase blog post Monday.

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MSN

pmbug · Jul 12, 2024

11C1P · Jul 21, 2024

Trump: “I will never allow for the creation of a Central Bank Digital Currency”

searcher · Jul 26, 2024

CD opinion piece. dyodd

How Kamala Harris Could Usher in a Clean Slate for Crypto Regulation

She may not be appearing at Bitcoin Nashville this year alongside Donald Trump. But, if elected president, Kamala Harris could reshape the U.S.'s policy on digital assets. Penn State Dickinson Law professor Tonya Evans sketches out what could (and should) be her agenda.

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pmbug · Jul 26, 2024

^^ Projection/fantasy. Kamala has been part of the regime prosecuting the war on crypto for years now. I don't believe the Dems have changed their hostility despite some rhetoric along those lines. Actions speak louder than words. Gensler should be unemployed.

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