Argentina foibles (inflation, currency and potential anarcho-capitalist experiments)

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It's hard to tell exactly, but I think a lot of those "signs" are actually Argentine flags (the ones with blue and white anyways).
 
According to Google, 36,646 Argentine pesos equals $7,190.86.

($7,190.86 / 100 grams) * (31.1034768 grams / troy ounce) = ~ $2,236.61 per troy ounce

Whoa!

hey, thats some real price discovery :clap:
 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...nterview-cost-job-argentinas-economy-minister
 

http://www.businessweek.com/article...in-u-dot-s-dot-currency-dot-heres-how-we-know
 
Interesting way to defeat inflation...
http://www.sovereignman.com/trends/...-by-launching-government-clothing-line-12197/

"Curiously, even Cristina acknowledges that prices are way too high. But rather than rein in spending and stop the money printing, she’s digging her high heels in even further by launching a new clothing line.

This new brand– NYP (Nacional Y Popular) will be owned and run by the government, selling everything from jeans to shirts to shoes at prices below 100 pesos (less than $20 officially)."

:rotflmbo:
 
Bad people are trying to sell excess wheat overseas instead of at the price controlled prices in Argentina:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...at-jails-hoarders-as-bread-prices-double.html

"Argentina plans to apply a law that forces holders of wheat and flour suitable for bread making to sell stock on the domestic market in a bid to contain inflation."

"Argentina, the largest wheat producer in South America, has a domestic consumption of 6 million tons. The harvest in the 2012-2013 season was 9.8 million tons."

"Grocers agreed last month to freeze prices of 500 goods and ensure supply as part of the government’s efforts to stem inflation."

"While the national statistics agency said prices rose 10.3 percent in May from a year earlier, private economists estimated prices rose 23.4 percent in the same period."
 
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Thanks for the update Benjamen. What a mess.
 
I wonder whether the Argentine people are buying gold and silver as well...

I heard from media that Greeks, Japanese, Germans are hoarding gold.
 
I wonder whether the Argentine people are buying gold and silver as well...

I heard from media that Greeks, Japanese, Germans are hoarding gold.

The japanese have less than 1% of their assets in gold. So no.. Japan is not hording gold.
 
Japan is basically broke, and they appear to have a loyal population that keeps buying their own government debt despite the risk, so if that financial ship ever goes down, they are all going to go down together. If I were Japanese I would want to have some gold coins just in case Godzilla showed up in the harbor.

and Argentina is a mess
 
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More: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...s-17-as-central-bank-scales-back-support.html
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25877391
 
When I look around at all of these "emerging" markets and the turmoil they are in, it becomes quite apparent that this whole "recovery" has been an artificial construct which is in rapid devolution as the world returns to its true equilibrium state.
 

More: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-...ation-triggers-30-whirlpool-price-markup.html
 

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2014/02/loan-rate-in-argentina-hits-65-annually.html

Ouch!
 
This seems to demonstrate what a huge risk it is to borrow big and hope that, with inflation, the loan becomes easy to repay.

Dan Ammerman (somehow I get a regular email ) reckons its a better way to go as you do not get taxed on the 'increase' in $ value of the property.

When interest rates go sky high, the default rate explodes and the poor old banks end up owning everything.

Ok I got away with it and was just about able to weather the 15% interest times but many were forced to walk away.
 
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Argentina seems to be reaching LONG to screw itself. What, for about a week now there has been bad news from there nearly every day. Yet they keep voting these SOBs (well in her case that would be a DOB...) in, who are even worse than ours are.

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I just got back from Costa Rica. I talked with EIGHT natives there (taxi drivers, shopkeepers, etc.) who told me business and the economy are BAD. I have been there about six times, and that is the first time I have heard that. Four of them told me that they blamed their Socialist president... A bit fewer tourists, but we saw plenty, all things considered.

I also talked with a few ex-pats there. They're not rockin'-and-rollin' either. But I did learn that they have my old friends the Black Widow spiders there (that's a long and nasty story...) as well as the famous "Fer de Lance" poisonous snake that I had previously thought was an Amazonian-only thing... The Fer de Lance is really bad, apparently you only have minutes to get to a hospital or you DIE!

And a guy I know sells capital equipment (pumps and machinery for chemical plants and similar) to LatAm. He told me the other day that almost every country is down in LatAm, the only exceptions being Peru and Colombia. Even Mighty Chile is just about even, not up nor down.

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So, it's not just Argentina, but all kinds of places are not happy: Turkey, Brazil, India, Russia, Thailand, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Spain, France (?) and it looks like CHINA too.

Gold and CA$H. Simple!
 

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...negotiate-admits-next-bond-payment-impossible
 
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I have now heard from one guy and read in another piece that Bitcoin is becoming popular in Argentina due to capital controls. Apparently there is a big premium to BTC price there vs. here.

Take enough, you could take that trip to Buenos Aires for free...
 
Argentina can't afford to pay the hold-outs without raiding pensions to do so. They have the other small problem of the other debt holders that accepted huge haircuts as well. If the hold-outs get paid dollar for dollar, there will be a rush on their treasury by everyone else that will then feel ripped off. The lawsuits will be epic in scale.

It's just like Obama ripping off the Delphi workers and leaving them without a pe4nsion or any other benefits while he made the unions at GM whole. What a crock of shit.
 
I'm not finding any reports in media, but I'm hearing through the grapevine of relatives that they are currently "enjoying" a bank holiday down there. No one has access to their accounts. I'll post more if I'm able to confirm this via any media.

Edit: This must be it:
http://www.buenosairesherald.com/article/190070/atms-may-run-out-of-cash
 
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More: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06-07/argentina-bailed-out-biggest-ever-loan-imf-history

I had not really heard much about Argentina in my news radar for a good long time. Maybe I should have been paying more attention...
 
So while the Fed pulls $ from the rest of the world, the IMF has no problem bailing out those suffering from the consequences with more $ ?

Theres a lot of speculation regarding how $ shortages are effecting emerging market economies and yet I read earlier that the actual amount the Fed had 'quantitavely tightened' was a very small number .........
suggesting that it is not possible to tighten and $ printing is actually the only option ?
 

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-raises-interest-rates-to-60-to-shore-up-peso
 

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/indep...-painful-memories-crises-180907051253079.html
 

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/09/28...lling-rise-in-reserve-requirements-media.html

I imagine that it is not just coincidence that the former central bank governor quit the day before they reached a deal with the IMF. Argentina is deep in the (debt) shit.
 
The Argentine government under President Mauricio Macri will publish a decree that effectively prohibits private sector firings, Ambito Financiero reported Nov. 8.
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https://worldview.stratfor.com/situ...-government-complicate-private-sector-firings

Argentina is seeking a new currency swap deal with China that would add another 60 billion yuan (US$8.7 billion) to its reserves, as the Latin American nation tries to boost confidence in the peso amid an economic crisis in the region.
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https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dip...-new-currency-swap-deal-china-beijing-pursues
 

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a...ys-b-of-a-2018-11-09?siteid=yhoof2&yptr=yahoo

Oct. 26:
... So far, the Latin American country has drawn $20.4 billion. ...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/imf-approves-argentina-loan-expansion-to-56-billion-2018-10-26

So worst case, ~$36B / .15B = 240 payments - roughly enough for 1/3 of a year. ~$9B from China would add another 60 possible payments - still less than a year of cash burn. It doesn't appear that Argentina is experiencing a worst case right now as the peso is overvalued according to the marketwatch article, but if the Fed keeps raising rates, that will put the pressure back on.
 

More: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ll-off-in-argentina-after-macri-loses-primary

Seems like they are taking a step backwards.
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...loan-in-danger-imf-officials-fly-to-argentina

Oh hey, I remember that can! I kicked it down the road a ways some time ago...
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/phot...-defaults-the-argentine-debacles?srnd=premium

Well, it's not terribly surprising, is it? I wonder if this is going to trigger any CDS payouts.
 
new financial distancing rules apply ..........

There was talk of letting the 3rd world debtor states off and zeroing their debt cos they cannot pay the loans back or even service them.

Would this trigger CDS payouts ? Well the ISDA is now a more robust organisation ( since Leahman) apparently, so no worries and the amount outstanding is small beer for the printers

Perhaps Tedros could get a job there once the WHO has dumped him.
Contagion is impossible but all money must be put in a place of safety (-;
 


$65B is about the size of the Fed's weekly balance sheet expansion these days. Crazy times...
 
Argentina said on Tuesday it had reached a deal with three creditor groups to restructure $65 billion in sovereign debt, potentially helping it climb out of a damaging default and revive the recession-hit economy.
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Open the champagne! Problem solved! lololololo.
 
I reckon what we are seeing with all the money printing, is an awareness that the current fiat money system is broken and its all going to get wiped in a reset, so print to infinity while you can ........

Will it last beyond the election ?
If so, lets give everyone who votes 'correctly' a $million (-;
 

Will Argentina Ditch the Peso for the Dollar?​

June 8, 2023 at 6:00 AM EDT

The Argentine peso has had a tumultuous life. In the 1980s it was temporarily dethroned by a new currency called the austral. An arranged marriage with the dollar in 1991 produced some years of bliss but ended in a ruinous divorce. More recently, the peso has suffered the humiliation of being tagged the worst-performing currency in emerging markets.

Now an Argentine economist running for president is proposing to put the currency out of its misery once and for all. Javier Milei, who’s also a congressman, says that to quash triple-digit inflation, the nation should formally adopt the dollar. “The peso melts like ice in the Sahara Desert,” Milei likes to say, alluding to the currency’s rapid depreciation: It’s lost half of its value against the dollar just in the past year.

If Milei wins the presidency in October and follows through on his pledge, Argentina will become the largest economy to dollarize. Its gross domestic product is about five times that of Ecuador’s, which is the biggest among the seven sovereign nations that have embraced the greenback, according to the International Monetary Fund.

Read the rest:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...lation-sparks-debate-to-ditch-peso-for-dollar
 
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