Define "Rich" and "Successful"

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Barrettone

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This thread has no "correct answers". I simply put it out there to hear what each of you define these terms as. I remember my father and grandfather telling me two things that now seem quite prescient to me. First was that "Everyone is happy with different levels of Success". My grandfathers definition of rich was quite simple: "I consider rich to mean that if I go to the market and wish to have steak for dinner...I can buy steak."

For me, it comes down to legacy. What did I leave on this Earth? I raised 3 boys who are now either working or going to college. During their time growing up, I NEVER missed a school function or extra curricular activity. If they were in Cub Scouts, I was the den leader. If they played football, I was the coach. If they were in the Naval Sea Cadets, I was an instructor (actually had to do a condensed military boot camp for adults on that one...sheesh). Anyway, I was very involved and worked hard (owning my own business) so I could be there for them and make it on a single income so my wife could stay home with them to make sure they weren't reading mein keimph (sp), building a bomb in our basement, or creating a "hit list" of their school peers. You know, basic American Dream/Leave it to Beaver shit. We always went on an annual family vacation for a week whether it was to Florida during spring break or to our cottage on a quad trip in the summer for the 4th of July week and made many memories. My goal was to set the bar high so my kids would (hopefully) be able and willing to do the same with my grandchildren. They also all save in PMs and understand what "real money" is. They are tangible heavy.

Anyway, a lot of financial gain was sacrificed by remaining a "small business" being a 40 hour per week owner, but for me, the end result was worth it as my kids (in descending order of age):

1) (24) owns his own drop shipping business and is finishing his MBA with NO DEBT.
2) (21) is in his senior year of his undergrad for astrophysics and getting his masters and will have NO DEBT (and as a side note, played football at the FBS level).
3) (19) is in his sophomore year for his undergrad in business with NO DEBT.

All had/have GPAs over a 3.2 up to a 3.75 through all their schooling. They all are also learning second languages.

So this is my legacy. All their school paid for and my wife an I have enough to retire and own our home and cottage are all paid off (no fargin banks!). I could have been Scrooge McDuck with a VAULT of gold, or classic cars, a Harley or a Bennington boat, but I felt success lain with my sons and their ability to earn and succeed. After all, a good used travel trailer and ATVs if maintained properly could provide all the entertainment we needed as a family. The above is my definition of success, because as they say: "There are no armored cars in a funeral procession!!!"

So what is your definition of "rich" and "successful". I know it's a pretty deep subject, but I feel it, at its core, defines ourselves morally, ethically, spiritually and physically. I did leave religion out purposely as I feel that is a very personal decision that is between you and your deity or lack thereof.

Let's hear it!
 
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Your adult children still talk to you.
Every night they call or we call them. We are very tight. I raised my kids using what I call "the 5 circles". The first circle is your nucleus and is comprised of your immediate family. The second has your best friend in the world, and your grandparents. The third is your aunts, uncles, cousins and friends. The fourth is your acquaintances, and the fifth is everyone else in the world. You never take care of something in the next circle until the circle(s) before it are tended to. That goes for your time, money, and attention.

The only bitch of it is (for me), that once they get married, my ass gets booted to the second circle. Hasn't happened yet, but I'm not looking forward to it. I did set the bar high for them and their relationship with their kids, as I wanted them one day, when they are raising their family to realize what a true sacrifice it is to (IMO) "properly" raise a family with basic 50s-style American principles and ideals.

This posting isn't to say I was the greatest or perfect...trust me, I made MISTAKES!!! But overall, I think the end result was worth it as I feel both rich and successful even if I don't have all those zeros to show for it!
 
Being alive and able to play pickleball!

Edit to add: Glad I woke up on the right side of the grass this morning....
 
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At the end of the day it all comes down to do you have enough leftover for hookers and blow.
 
Slightly off topic

My father explained the difference between rich and wealthy

Rich = all the money you will ever be able to spend

Wealthy = the above, but only accessing the interest received from the interest accrued from your invested assets, which are never touched and keep their purchasing power... since you never touch the initial interest...

That's a LOT of mullah...
 
Being rich is being content with what you already have.

Being successful is when God is pleased with you. We don't really get to find out if we were successful until the end of the show.
That’s the Don Ameche banker joke from Trading Places with Eddie Murphy

It is not the principle, it’s the interest
 
A lot like you. Coached in T-ball, Coach Pitch, Basketball and Football to my kids and others until they were beyond my level of expertise.
26- Has returned to his high school after graduating college, works at the school, COACHES TWO SPORTS : Moved up to Offensive Co-coordinator for the varsity after a year as Freshman Offensive Coordinator and Reserve Girls Basketball coach / Asst. Varsity Coach.
In Girls Basketball the new head coach and him to a team of cellar dwellers and 0-fer 4 Varsity last season. Turned them around, Won their District and was one win away from making the girls state tournament.
21 - Graduates college next Summer, has most of his college paid for in scholarships and works for the athletic ticket office. Sez he wants to stay there after graduation for a while.
AND : One young man that I was his first football coach with my oldest now plays for the New Orleans Saints #67 Landon Young.
And another young man that play with my youngest is playing FBS Level football.
While I retired young at 50 I think my guys will do and go further in their lives.
Life in my opinion, is about what you leave and how you affect not only your own love ones, but those you affected along the way.
I've ran into parents and their kids even the little ones I get safely across the street to go to school. I get hugs from the kids and praises from the parents. The bus riders and car riders make little hearts on their window between them and me.
Some have moved to other schools and tell me they wish they were back here at my school, and middle schoolers will wave and stop by.
They remember me and to me that is what is important.
 
Successful...to attain one's goals...be it moving mountains or getting stoned and eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.

The definition of rich is to be more wealthy than me. If I make 40K a year, anyone who makes 50K or more is rich and should have their wealth confiscated and redistributed so that I won't feel inadequate. If I make 60K a year, anyone who makes 70K or more is rich and should have their wealth confiscated and redistributed so that I won't feel inadequate. Karl Marx knew how to mobilize the psychology of inadequacy.
 
You can't measure success until you know what you're trying to do.

I avoided prison; avoided negative entanglements with abusive women. I did NOT have a career that was totally satisfying; but I had enough money coming in to meet my needs.

When I was younger, I decided I wanted no children. I now think that was a mistake, but it's of my own making. I have to live with the choice.

I am not anyone's ward; and for six months ahead, I can see my nearly-guaranteed survival. That's as good as anyone can claim, now...having more money or assets, suggest more to lose, if things heave up in ways one doesn't expect.

But, more lofty goals, now, are not for me. We're in a time of mass insanity, and I don't know if I'll survive it, even if I live to natural old age.
 
The only bitch of it is (for me), that once they get married, my ass gets booted to the second circle. Hasn't happened yet, but I'm not looking forward to it.
You will most likely not have sons who kick you to the curb because of their wives. Its a testament to how you raised your sons. Its a pet peeve of mine. I have seen it too many times to count. A man gets married and ignores his own family and is totally absorbed into the wife's family. The wife resents it if her husbands attention is drawn away from her and quietly alienates a man from his family. In rare cases people have very toxic families and the alienation is called for. However in most cases its a matter of the husband just wanting to make life easier by giving into his wife. BIG mistake. If a wife is alienating her husband from his family and he allows it she just put his testicles in her purse. I'm going through this with my nephew now. I have not said much but he is coming around on his own.
 
Rich - Debt free and having enough to meet your basic needs for the rest of your life.

Successful - Living every day true to your values and not being enslaved by any habits that bring shame or guilt.
 
I hear you. But fortunately for me, my 3 sons are soooo tight. They LITERALLY hold a TRIBUNAL to determine if one of the girls they're dating is "acceptable". They all let the ladies know that the brothers scrutiny trumps all. They've already blackballed two girls over it. And those girls knew if they couldn't pass muster with the other 2 brothers...they were the ones to go. Pretty awesome actually. I'm very lucky. They truly look out for each other and the "tight family" concept. Controlling bitches need not apply. Compromise is OK. Domineering gets the door.
 
You start as a kid amongst others in the school playground. Since at that point, it is all learning and absorbing and not really creating... measurement there is evanscent.

But what about when many decades have passed? That seems a long enough time for the valid assessment to be made.

Did you really learn what was never taught in school?
Have you had experiences that made you understand the world where others have not?
Have you done things that have materially added to the knowledge and happiness of others?
Do you have the respect (not just love) of your family?
Are you really debt-free?
Have you enabled others to be debt-free?
Have you instilled in your offspring the deep concept of honor?

And the biggest: Are you basically happy and self-actualized?

Use those measurements, and you will get your own answer.
 
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