Patriotism -- Now regarded with a smirk

Welcome to the Precious Metals Bug Forums

Welcome to the PMBug forums - a watering hole for folks interested in gold, silver, precious metals, sound money, investing, market and economic news, central bank monetary policies, politics and more.

Why not register an account and join the discussions? When you register an account and log in, you may enjoy additional benefits including no Google ads, market data/charts, access to trade/barter with the community and much more. Registering an account is free - you have nothing to lose!

Unca Walt

Immortal. So far...
GIM2 Refugee
Messages
1,573
Reaction score
2,206
Points
298
I was brought up in a military family. We stayed loyal to our Oath.

My country did not. Now well into my 80's, I am disillusioned.

The racist, bigoted Founding Fathers... for that's what they are now to the valueless, selfish, unnatural politicians... at least they did not live to see the most beautiful, idealistic, and noble concepts these men had put in place -- for the FIRST TIME IN ALL HUMAN HISTORY -- get raped into muddy filth.

Do it soon. I am old, but that doesn't mean you are out of range.
 

More (it's a good read, I tried to quote the most salient points only):

 
What we have here, is a confluence of negative mileposts: The Fourth Turning, the 250th Anniversary...all tucked into one.

Say what you will about Strauss and Howe; but what they were observing, in their Generational Cycle theory, was documentable trends. This is a mindset that's new to me - I can see cause, effect, second-order effects that were not intended, or which were deliberately intended but hidden from public discussion. But I've ignored trends - because I didn't believe in periodic patterns.

Well, I'm a new convert. The Strauss-Howe model holds true, both for us and for other peoples. How long did the Bolshevik movement hold Russia and satellite states, in bondage? Eighty years...just as the theory holds. How long has our postwar modern age run? Almost, not quite, eighty years. As did the period after the War Between the States, on to the Second World War.

The 250-year duration of empire/global power, is more flexible, but the trend is there. A nation's rise - it's young or with new ideas or fresh impetus with young leaders. The ideas mature and blossom; they bear fruit; a culture grows...and grows corrupt and aged. And finally the forces of ruination (every society has malcontents) triumph and the society falls to the default level, privation and tyranny.

How we get out of this, I do not know. It will be harder now that we're overrun with between 15 and 40 million alien invaders. But the resolution of a Fourth Turning, sets the course for the next eighty or so years.

We should choose wisely.
 
The real patriot is the one who fights to keep the original ideals of the founding fathers alive.
It is NOT the one who blindly follows their government.

One must remember this is very much what the British colonists went through when establishing this country.
They were British citizens. (as there was no "America" yet)
They hated the philosophy and the policies of King George and they stood FOR was was right and against what WAS wrong.

One must also keep in mind that our constitution declares that our rights come from God, not from man. Not from any man (government). It is exactly this point that makes (made?) America great. The American dream doesn't come from anything the government does, it comes form what the government does not do, cannot do, by design.

Ronald Reagan, is his inaugural address, said “We are a nation that has a government–not the other way around. And this makes us special among the nations of the Earth.”

I would have liked to see it stay that way but, sadly, it looks as though that ship has sailed.
 
As a convert to supporting the concept of periodic patterns, you might enjoy looking into the the four great epochs documented in the ancient texts of Hinduism: Satya Yuga, Treta Yuga, Dwapar Yuga, and Kali Yuga. Satya Yuga or the Age of Truth is said to last for 4,000 divine years, Treta Yuga for 3,000, Dwapara Yuga for 2,000 and Kali Yuga will last for 1,000 divine years—a divine year equaling 432,000 earthly years. After cycling through all four Yugas, it starts over again, and each Yuga has unique characteristics, like in the Strauss-Howe model. If I recall, most are in agreement that we are leaving a Kali Yuga at this time.
 
Trends that long, are hard to accurately follow.

I don't discount them; we just cannot know. History (not legend or myth) is not preserved that far back.
 
I understand your paradigm. We, in today's society, have not been allowed to understand history . A lot more exists than most are aware or will acknlowledge because we have been told to ignore it by "scholars"...
 
I understand your paradigm. We, in today's society, have not been allowed to understand history . A lot more exists than most are aware or will acknlowledge because we have been told to ignore it by "scholars"...
But, more to the point, thousands of years ago, we were illiterate. Go back 6000 years, and written language hadn't been invented.

Oral histories are often wildly distorted.

So...I'd say, there's no way to know. Theoretically, scholars 6000 years in the future, will be able to identify factually...but I don't think either this planet or our species will survive 6000 years.
 
The planet will likely orbit the sun until it (the sun) goes supernova. I seriously doubt humans will still be around by then though.
 

First time I've heard of this. Sounds like it could be interesting reading. @Evl Bnkr if you have the time and desire, I think it could make for an interesting thread.
 
As far as periodic generational events go, there is ample evidence to support that there is something to it.
Certainly in the US, as there has been major turmoil reoccurring every 80 years or so since its Founding. Ie: roughly every four generations.

In a nutshell, it's current generations forgetting the lessons of the past and making mistakes that allow those lessons to be learned anew.
 
Cookies are required to use this site. You must accept them to continue using the site. Learn more…