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You can't kill those 225 cu. in. straight sixes.
 

How G.M. Tricked Millions of Drivers Into Being Spied On (Including Me)​

This privacy reporter and her husband bought a Chevrolet Bolt in December. Two risk-profiling companies had been getting detailed data about their driving ever since.

Automakers have been selling data about the driving behavior of millions of people to the insurance industry. In the case of General Motors, affected drivers weren’t informed, and the tracking led insurance companies to charge some of them more for premiums. I’m the reporter who broke the story. I recently discovered that I’m among the drivers who was spied on.

My husband and I bought a G.M.-manufactured 2023 Chevrolet Bolt in December. This month, my husband received his “consumer disclosure files” from LexisNexis Risk Solutions and Verisk, two data brokers that work with the insurance industry and that G.M. had been providing with data. (He requested the files after my article came out in March, heeding the advice I had given to readers.)

My husband’s LexisNexis report had a breakdown of the 203 trips we had taken in the car since January, including the distance, the start and end times, and how often we hard-braked or accelerated rapidly. The Verisk report, which dated back to mid-December and recounted 297 trips, had a high-level summary at the top: 1,890.89 miles driven; 4,251 driving minutes; 170 hard-brake events; 24 rapid accelerations, and, on a positive note, zero speeding events.

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Enraging, but not a surprise.

The Internet of Everything.

Solution: DO NOT BUY A NEW CAR. For ANY reason.

Remember that rentals are also tracking you. INCLUDING, probably, hidden cameras and/or mics.

Somehow, this (expletive) has to stop. And it won't, until people are sufficiently outraged and take charge of the government.

In the meantime...if my two well-preserved old cars don't outlast me (I have ten years left on my service life) then I'll take a little trip to Mejico and buy something old, down there. If I can't get a VW Type I (they made them until 2003 in Puebla) then I'll get a Nissan Sentra. They were good cars here in the day, and were sold with less basic stuff in Mexico about twenty years after US sales were stopped.

I'm not playing the Surveillance State Roulette game.
 

GM Shuts Down Controversial Data Collection Tool

Facing tremendous backlash, especially after a report from The New York Times spiked awareness, GM has reportedly shut down its tool which collects data on owners’ driving styles. Outrage dominated many corners of the internet after what we’ve known for years became more widely known, and quite...
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Is Your Car Spying on You?​

By: Judge Andrew Napolitano|Published on: May 10, 2024|Categories: Current Events, Surveillance

Last week, Sens. Ron Wyden of Oregon and Edward Markey of Massachusetts revealed that automobiles sold in the United States with a GPS or emergency call system accumulate the travel data of the vehicle on computer chips located in the vehicle and the vehicle manufacturers have remote access to the computer chips. They revealed this is a letter to the Federal Trade Commission that, at this writing, has gone unanswered.

The senators complained that the computer chips in late-model vehicles retain the records of the location and driving habits utilized by the operator of each vehicle.

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Is Your Car Spying on You? | Tenth Amendment Center

The federal Department of Transportation — found nowhere in the Constitution — mandates the specs for the computer chips installed in vehicles sold in the United States. And the recent amendment to Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act requires all persons and entities that...
tenthamendmentcenter.com
 
Back in my day, we didn't have none of them fancy-schmancy computerized contraptions in our cars spyin' on us like some kind of government agent! No sir, we walked or rode horses and buggies like real folks, mindin' our own business and keepin' our privacy intact. None of this Big Brother watchin' our every move on the road – we had freedom to travel without the prying eyes of some silicon chip!

We walked for miles with holes in our shoes and sores on our feet and we liked it! Fancy folk rode bicycles or horses or carriages or buggies drawn by horses that pooped everywhere and it stunk like manure everywhere you went and we liked it! We didn't need no fancy motorized snitchmobiles to carry our groceries! No sir! We didn't even have refrigerators! That was the way it was and we liked it!
 

Why Automakers Are Invading Your Privacy​

Jun 1, 2024 #CNBC

Cars are collectively a ‘privacy nightmare’ that has gone unaddressed for far too long, according to the Mozilla Foundation. A 2023 report from the group says privacy policies give automakers like GM, Nissan, Tesla and Toyota far too much access to personal data and latitude in what they do with it. Some high profile lawsuits highlight how car companies can and in some cases have collected data on drivers without their consent and passed it on to third parties, including insurance companies. Regulators and elected officials have taken notice and are planning legislation and other measures.

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01:54 Introduction - Why automakers are invading your privacy
2:02 Chapter 1 - What is collected
04:45 Chapter 2 - What they’re doing with it
08:35 Chapter 3 - The consent problem
11:45 Chapter 4 - The future
 
walkingnam said:
I recall reading about a civil case where this infor was supeoned for a court case where the car owner had this information used against him. As I recall he lost.
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Of course he lost, because he ignorantly agreed to it.



Anyone buying a new car needs their head examined.
searcher said:
Court rules automakers can record and intercept owner text messages
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Case in point.

Casey Jones said:
I've wondered how hard it would be to get a company together to buy (25-plus years old) Mexican-market cars, to bring into the States.
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Try it and the gov will make it illegal.

The gov wants this tracking and info gathering. We are the State's enemies and are regulated as such.

Goldhedge said:
Law Will Install Kill Switches In All New Cars
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Another case in point.

Any moron buying one gets what they deserve.
If people just quit buying them, and told 'em why, they quit doing it.

Casey Jones said:
I wonder what it's going to take to stop all this.
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Apophis
 
Casey Jones said:
I'm not playing the Surveillance State Roulette game.
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It boggles my mind that anyone does.


That just means they'll try harder to hide the fact the fact that they are doing it.

Three quarters of a trillion dollars for just selling data would be a hard thing to give up.

It's like tasting forbidden fruits that are extra yummy. Who wouldn't wanna keep nibbling at it?



My question is, do people buying these cell phones on wheels HAVE to use all the electronic gizmo's?

Can cameras be taped over, wires to microphones cut, foil wrapped around the modem, never connect a phone to it, etc etc, that would negate the BS? Or do they have ya sign shit where you agree TO use it?

If only enough people gave enough of a fuck about their Rights, and acted like the progeny they are supposed to be, none of this shit would be possible.

Also, cell phone jammers are available, but illegal to use.

However, if enough people used one in their car, it'd be impossible for the gov to do anything about it.
....but if you are the only one driving around with one, you'll become easy to find. If 100 million people all around you are also using them, not so much.

Oh well, maybe someday, o-ver the rainbow, my fellow Americans will start to act like who they are.
 
It would be one more thing they could prosecute someone for - Trump, or Alex Jones, or me, or you - if and when we're in the Deep State's crosshairs.

Now that an onboard breathalyzer and remote kill switch are mandated, and of course controlled through the Internet of Everything...just removing connectivity would be "Defeating Safety Equipment" and punishable by a heavy fine.

If and when you draw their attention.

We live in a police state. Frankly, I'm wondering why I would want a car in this Kafkaesque hellscape.
 
The amount of data modern cars collect is a serious privacy concern for all of us. But in an abusive situation, tracking can be a nightmare.

As a New York Times article outlined, modern cars are often connected to apps that show a user a wide range of information about a vehicle, including real-time location data, footage from cameras showing the inside and outside of the car, and sometimes the ability to control the vehicle remotely from their mobile device. These features can be useful, but abusers often turn these conveniences into tools to harass and control their victims—or even to locate or spy on them once they've fled their abusers.

Modern Cars Can Be Tracking Nightmares. Abuse Survivors Need Real Solutions.

The amount of data modern cars collect is a serious privacy concern for all of us. But in an abusive situation, tracking can be a nightmare.As a New York Times article outlined, modern cars are often connected to apps that show a user a wide range of information about a vehicle, including...
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- Holy shit Batman!
- It's from the you ain't gonna believe this shit file Robin!

Police Seize Teslas that Witnessed Crimes​

To get their hands on video of the crime.

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Like to read.........

Park next to a crime? Police say your Tesla may be a star witness​

Today's modern cars are giant machines filled with sophisticated electronic equipment that powers the convenient features that automakers convince buyers they need.

Despite its shortcomings with supposed self-driving technology, EV automaker Tesla (TSLA) is the first name that comes to mind when it comes to automakers on the cusp of automotive technology.

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There has got to be a market...

...for someone to rebuild and retrofit 20-year-old cars and trucks. Almost a sort of assembly line...get the clean body, get new or salvaged seats, new carpet, plug in a new or rebuilt engine, sell it.

NONE of this (expletive). Any dash-cam you want to hang on the window, can come off and go in your pocket. You can share what you have with the cops - or not.
 

Ford Patents In-Car System That Eavesdrops So It Can Play You Ads​

Yeah, you read the headline right. Ford has patented a system that, per the filing, would use several different sources of information to customize ad content to play in your car. One such information stream that this hypothetical system would use to determine what sort of ads to serve could be could be the voice commands you’ve given to the car. It could also identify your voice and recognize you and your ad preferences, and those of your passengers. Finally, it could listen to your conversations and determine if it’s better to serve you a visual ad while you’re talking, or an audio ad when there’s a lull in the conversation.

Here’s a very, very important disclaimer that we say just about every time we talk about an unusual patent: A patent filing doesn’t indicate that the automaker is intending to implement this system. It just means that it’s protecting its intellectual property from competitors. Ford, of course, could implement this system in some form based on this patent, but don’t presume that it will. (Cue up Jeff Goldblum: “Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could, they didn't stop to think if they should.”)

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Steve L's take................

 
Automotive management has somehow lost its collective mind.

ALL the major companies are behaving madly. This insane contempt for the customer - Ford shows it in doubling-down on six-figure trucks, while refusing to re-introduce affordable small cars they cancelled a few years earlier. Yes, I get that they want to make moar per-unit on sales of high-margin trucks...but HOW IN HELL CAN THEY EVEN IMAGINE THAT A DURABLE GOOD IS WORTH OVER $100k? To ANYONE?

Stellantis, ex-FCA, ex-Chrysler, is worse. Carlos Tavares wants to close US and Canada plants, move assembly into the third world - Mexico and now, plans to open an plant in Argentina - and is talking to sell the Brampton, Ontario plant, one of Chrysler's newest, to BYD out of China. It's been shut down for 60 days with no moves to retool; joining the Belvedere, Ill, plant that they promised the UAW they'd reopen but haven't done anything about.

The cheaper cars were cut, as well as the Ram Classic truck, the lowest-priced model ($35k). Nope, they're making those six-figure cowboy Cadillacs that now are just not selling. And Tavares cannot figure out why.

Mitsubishi is discontinuing the Mirage, the LAST car for sale in the Untied Skates for less than $20k. Mitsubishi is losing its already-tiny market share, and they do this? Imagine VW management in the 1960s, discontinuing the Beetle because they weren't making enough money on each sale.

Nissan also, is ending their bottom-tier hatchback, the only model selling in significant numbers. What is WITH these people?

You can't even say it's toxins in the water in Detroit, since these places are all over - Paris, Dearborn, Japan, Belgium.

But they think alike, and their thinking is INSANE.
 
Maybe this belongs in it's own thread, but I think it's appropriate here too:

 
Every day I'm gladder that I have a rust-free 25-year-old pickup.

Wishing I kept my even-older 1993 Jeep Wrangler.

There is no f'in WAY I'll own a modern car.
 

Tesla data helped police after Las Vegas truck explosion, but experts have wider privacy concerns​

NEW YORK (AP) — Your car is spying on you.

That is one takeaway from the fast, detailed data that Tesla collected on the driver of one of its Cybertrucks that exploded in Las Vegas earlier this week. Privacy data experts say the deep dive by Elon Musk’s company was impressive, but also shines a spotlight on a difficult question as vehicles become less like cars and more like computers on wheels.

Is your car company violating your privacy rights?

“You might want law enforcement to have the data to crack down on criminals, but can anyone have access to it?” said Jodi Daniels, CEO of privacy consulting firm Red Clover Advisors. “Where is the line?”

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/t...privacy-concerns/ar-AA1wXjII?ocid=socialshare
 
It's not just your car.

Texas Sues Allstate for Allegedly Tracking People To Raise Insurance Prices​

The state of Texas has filed a lawsuit against insurance giant Allstate, accusing the company of using invasive tracking methods to collect personal data and hike car insurance rates.

Newsweek has contacted Allstate for comment via email.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...S&cvid=d6320c3f6b214a418caf6ebc19c3ff43&ei=45
 
GM selling your shit.

Caught secretly selling car owners’ driving data, General Motors slapped with a hefty ban by Lina Khan’s FTC​

General Motors reached a settlement with the U.S. Federal Trade Commission that will prohibit it from selling information on its customers’ driving habits without their knowledge and explicit consent for the next 20 years.

Until last year, consumers buying a GM vehicle were encouraged to sign up for its Smart Driver program that would collect data on aspects like chosen traffic routes and trip duration.

Yet it also extracted information on the rate of acceleration, what speeds they might attempt a corner at, and how hard the brakes would be slammed. It even relayed information on whether they were taking their car on a late-night spin. That’s because this information was of particular value for insurers keen on better assessing the risk posed by their policyholders.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/com...S&cvid=ab8e7317e53d47009319da6c6c61d5ad&ei=23
 

The FTC’s Ban on GM and OnStar Selling Driver Data Is a Good First Step

The Federal Trade Commission announced a proposed settlement agreeing that General Motors and its subsidiary, OnStar, will be banned from selling geolocation and driver behavior data to credit agencies for five years. That’s good news for G.M. owners. Every car owner and driver deserves to be...
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Related.

Jeep Pushing Warranties Through Pop-Up Ads In Their Vehicles​

Feb 11, 2025

I believe it's a sign of things to come.

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There is absolutely no justifiable reason, anymore, to buy ANY Stellantis Woked-up, DEI POS.

It's a sad end for Jeep. But it will be the end. Jeep will wind up where Plymouth went, and where Chrysler is.

They've alienated their traditional buyers - from the Willys years, through Kaiser and AMC, and even the first Chrysler decade, they were relatively-simple and mostly reliable. There were years and some issues, but the fundamental engineering was sound.

The Mall Riders got involved, back in the 1980s; and they're all the brand has left. NO MORE solid, proven engines - not the Go-Devil four of the war years; not the Buick-designed V6 (which Buick purchased back, and got 30 more years of life out of). Not the inline later Jeep engines, based on AMCs.

Daimler started it; Fiat accelerated it by discontinuing the truck four, putting a Neon engine in in place. And by rebranding a Fiat SUV as the Renegade.

Now they're grotesquely-overpriced dung. And now, after some G-D fool pays $80k for a Wrangler, fer chrissakes, they're gonna bombard the owner with advertising he cannot turn off? FWIW, that's why I download MP3s instead of streaming podcasts. The Ad-Loop-Of-Death. It starts, never stops, you have to shut the phone down (or buy a Premium-Level subscription or player or both) and start over, since you can't, or I couldn't, advance to where I was cut off.

SCREW IT. I listen to entertainment to BE entertained, not provoked and not annoyed with stupid-smart tricks.

The brick through the whole entertainment system is probably the best choice - but WHY IN HADES BUY ONE, when this torment comes standard and cannot be deleted? That's true of the other stupid warnings, too. I learned to drive a long time ago, and I learned well. Those who didn't...there's names for them. "Bus Passengers" or "Traffic Fatalities."

That's how it is. It's impossible to remove all risk, while guaranteeing "revenue streams" for Woked-up mismanaged businesses like Stellantis. Neither will work. Some of us today would rather walk than pay $1000-plus per month on a car PAYMENT.
 

More news out of Texas.

Texas suit alleges unuthorized data sharing by Toyota, Progressive and data broker

A class action suit against Toyota, Connected Analytic Service (CAS), and Progressive filed in Texas claims the “unauthorized collection and dissemination” of private information. The suit is the …
www.repairerdrivennews.com
 
If I am going to rob a bank, commit murder or kidnap people, I will use my vintage 1974 pickup.
 

State Sues GM and OnStar Over Sale of Personal Data​

Jul 11, 2025
Will other states join them?

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And, will you (we, etc) trust them? To abide by rulings; or for the rulings to stand up?

Remember the Constitution? Amendment IV. Freedom, in one's person and papers, to be free from searches and confiscation.

WARRANTS, for government operatives to eavesdrop on telephones. Oh, how quaint...quaint and obsolete. Like, say, gold and silver legal-tender coins.

Try an experiment. Put your spyphone in front of you. Just start talking, into the air, about taking a Norweigan or Alaskan cruise. Say it as if you were having a conversation.

In five days your mailbox will be overstuffed with flyers, from all the usual suspects. The ILLEGAL SPYBOTS recorded that, and as programmed, SOLD that information to Carnival, et. al.

Now, if you talk about going to, say, Galt's Gulch...the information won't be sold. It will be given. And maybe there will be a future Waco event made out of what was given.

Because you are not secure.

Because of crap in cars - and refrigerators, computers, just about every high-tech gizmo made, now, plugged into the Internet of Everything.

The solution lies not in court rulings. The solution lies in REFUSING TO PLAY. To OWN this crap. When old cars are no longer available, a savvy entrepreneur could make a lot of money RIPPING ALL THAT GARBAGE OUT of cars.

THAT, permission from the Elites' Perpetuation Agency (through Climate Hysteria, etc) to actually strip off all this garbage, that, in fact, will make a car inoperative (from failures) five years from manufacture...THAT is what we need. The right to go in to a car YOU OWN, with wire-cutters...RIP that garbage out, install a new, simplified wiring harness, simple controls to the engine (fuel injection) and mechanical speed indicator. Want a radio? Goodwill has boom boxes. Is there even anything good on the air, now?

I'm just disgusted with this "Please, Sir, can I have more?" attitude we have. It's time to demand, not ask - and back it up with consequences for the kangaroos.
 

Seems to me like we should be able to find and destroy the transmitter.
 
It is probably linked to a critical system.

When I was young and stupid, I had possession, for a short time, of a Dodge minivan. I needed/wanted to limit the mileage shown those days. Now, this was my first exposure to an electronic speedometer, okay? I don't remember how, but I knew exactly the fuse to pull to make the speedo go dead.

What it also did was make the Ultramatic (first-generation electronic) transmission, stay in first gear. First or reverse, that was all that worked.

Today, since VWs and BMWs are junked for failed computer modules...otherwise okay cars...because the modules are so expensive...if a patch were easy (and LEGAL) it would be all over the Web.
 
I am getting ads, emails on things I was just THINKING about. I know that sounds delusional. But sometimes when it happens, I swear I did not type/talk, etc about the subject/object...
 
Viking said:
I am getting ads, emails on things I was just THINKING about. I know that sounds delusional. But sometimes when it happens, I swear I did not type/talk, etc about the subject/object...
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Did you happen to talk to yourself? Maybe look up related phone numbers?
 
Voodoo said:
Seems to me like we should be able to find and destroy the transmitter.
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Find out where the car's Telematics Control Unit is, and clip the power wire to it.


Or figure out where the antenna for the TCU is, and cut the wire to it.
 
Owner/unauthorized sabotage is probably anticipated with an engineered defeat.

Like my saga of pulling the power to the e-speedo. In a logical world, it would have been one wire pulled, and done. In their Big Brother Nanny-State world, they had to tie it into something that was ESSENTIAL to move the car any distance - the electronic transmission module.

Oh, and, a printed circuitboard to power up the dash - so no unclipping of single wires. That's been standard in even 1970s cars - and this one was a 1989.
 
Still, there's got to be an antenna that could be covered with foil. or something that could be done to it.

Or just buy a cell jammer and carry it in your car so the car can never "phone home".
 
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