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Silver bars of raw material of the largest state-owned silver seller Zhaokuang on http://JD.com is now at a price of ¥6.98/gram today, equivalent to $30.15/ounce



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$30/oz
raw silver should be of lower purity than lmba approved bars, i.e. lower price, i.e. under spot
$20?
that would be a 50% premium!
 
All time high
The hottest selling gold bars on http://JD.com which is the largest e-commmerce hit all time high at a price of ¥511/gram today, equivalent to $2207.48/ounce.
10 gram gold bar



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That could be indicative of other things like import restrictions, international transportation issues (costs, insurance, etc.), liquidity, etc.

...or... maybe difficulty in sourcing physical in the west to send east....
The transportation costs should be covered by the premiums
The only viable explanation for me are import restrictions.
The problem is, a) I can't find any info about such restrictions, and b) they would make no sense.

Difficulty in sourcing the metal at spot prices, yes, possible too
 
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The problem is, a) I can't find any info about such restrictions, and b) they would make no sense.
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I remember back in September or so China was restricting imports and it caused a similar premium disparity. China, like India, tries to control gold imports. I think it has something to do with local money flow to foreign shores (affecting FX markets) or something.
 
Possible, but I still don't understand,
limiting imports they are making Chinese PM manufacturers and end users very unhappy,
their plan was/is to increase national PM reserves - both public and private,
if they want to internationalise their Yuan, they should be happy about money outflows
 
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If left unlimited, gold imports would be so huge it would affect a large trade imbalance. India is also.closing loopholes on gold jewelry imports. I believe there is a 10% import tax on top of large premiums for gold.
 
If left unlimited, gold imports would be so huge it would affect a large trade imbalance. India is also.closing loopholes on gold jewelry imports. I believe there is a 10% import tax on top of large premiums for gold.
So, in order to blow up West's PM pricing mechanism all they need to do is to lift their import limitations.
 
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Mark my words when the LBMA and COMEX are emptied premiums will skyrocket. No physical supplier will sell at lower western spot prices when they can get more from Lee Bang Chow.
 
12.4% Chinese premium. How high can it go?
 

 
The Shanghai Gold futures at the Shanghai Futures Exchange (SHFE) is a paper market

As long as they require shorts to show proof of having the metal - i.e. as long as they prevent naked shorting -, it's not
imo
 
Figured this would fit in this thread better than the commodities thread. FWIW (dyodd)

Shanghai Taking Charge of Gold and Silver Pricing. New York and London Control Rapidly Evaporating

May 20, 2024 #market #trading #derivatives

21:35
 
Why do US banks sell so many naked shorts in the market often at incredible losses?
 


Bold emphasis is mine. English text is from Google Translate:

More (it's in Chinese - I had to use Google Translate):
https://www.nfra.gov.cn/cn/view/pages/governmentDetail.html?docId=1198119&itemId=861&generaltype=1
 
That sounds like they are moving away from using Debt (ie US Treasuries) as the main holdings and moving to Gold. I guess people are forgetting that Gold doesn't pay interest.
 
That sounds like they are moving away from using Debt (ie US Treasuries) as the main holdings and moving to Gold. I guess people are forgetting that Gold doesn't pay interest.
Not yet, but if you lease.it maybe it could? That would.mean gold's velocity would increase.
 
I mean they do have Gold and Silver Lease Rate's so clearly they can be leased. But why or why would anyone want to borrow a pet rock?
 

 
Via Google Translate (bold emphasis is mine):
 
Chinesre insurers would be able.to sell gold backed.meme.coins, then close down and skate with the gold.
 
Chinesre insurers would be able.to sell gold backed.meme.coins, then close down and skate with the gold.
That's not possible, either they are meme coins, i.e. not backed by real gold, hence there would be no skating with the gold, or they are legit currencies backed by real gold, allowing the skating.
So, which kind of scam are we talking about here.
 
That's not possible, either they are meme coins, i.e. not backed by real gold, hence there would be no skating with the gold, or they are legit currencies backed by real gold, allowing the skating.
So, which kind of scam are we talking about here.
I hear ya... but gold is gold and notgold is not gold. So it is just a word or a title for another bitcoin?

It leads this ole hoss to the word "Notgeld" <--
 
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