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11C1P said:
Hardly. If you feel one country is justified invading a neighbor cause they didn't like the change in ownership, it shouldn't matter which countries are involved.
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See now you are making it about the coup. The coup is only one reason. Russia was assured NATO would not expand they have nearly doubled the number of countries who are members.
 
11C1P said:
Hardly. If you feel one country is justified invading a neighbor cause they didn't like the change in ownership, it shouldn't matter which countries are involved.
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If you listen to US MSM propaganda you say 'invading' because that is the stance of the MIC.

And there is the rub. Russia didn't INVADE Ukraine. Russia is LIBERATING Ukraine.

Do you see the difference?

The US (MIC) 'invaded' Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria. Why? Imperialism. 9/11 was the ruse. In Ukraine there was NO change in ownership, it was a coup. The Orange Revolution sponsored by Soros and gang.

Ukraine isn't even a country as it's more of a State. The people living there have always been the RUS. Their history goes back centuries.

Putin is doing it by the book. There are international laws of war he is following. That's why he started with a Special Military Operation

First thing he did (and you should LISTEN to the speech he gave before entering Ukraine) was to sign a treaty with the Donbass and Lugansk areas.

That agreement allowed him to protect them from aggression. What aggression? The west has been bombing what they call the 'separatists' for the last 8 years since the coup. That terrorism killed 15,000 civilians.

Russian President Vladimir Putin announced the formal annexation of four regions of Ukraine in a speech on Friday. By the book.

NATO is an anachronism from a bygone era and should be abolished.
 
Lancers32 said:
Banking is very lax almost impossible to follow money is what I heard. Plus it's right up Russia's ass.
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"Influenced" is an understatement...
A bank scandal, an oligarch and the IMF: Ukraine’s president has a lot to deal with right now
SEP 20 2019
"Close observers of Ukraine’s new president are keeping a close eye on whether Zelensky could be influenced by Kolomoisky with whom he has business ties. Zelensky is a former comic and actor who starred in a hit TV show called “Servant of the People” (about an ordinary man who becomes president) that was produced by his own production company but broadcast on Kolomoisky’s 1+1 TV channel, which has shown other shows featuring Zelensky."​

A bank scandal, an oligarch and the IMF: Ukraine's president has a lot to deal with right now

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is under pressure over how he will resolve a long-running dispute regarding a nationalized bank and its former oligarch owner.
www.cnbc.com
 

Clandestine presents his POV which I found interesting.

Putin’s Speech Analysis: Bioweapons and Human Experimentation in Ukraine

Clandestine
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For those who have not read Putin’s transcript from his speech today, September 30th, 2022; I highly recommend you do so. You simply cannot trust any media outlet to give you an accurate or sufficient summary. You must read it for yourself, in its entirety. Link is here.1

Now that you’ve read the speech, I’m going to give my takeaways and address which passages stuck out to me.

The overall message of the speech is, Russia have reclaimed land which belonged to them only a few short decades ago. Followed by an absolute lambasting of the US/NATO a declaration of war on “Western elites” (the Deep State) and the Liberal-Globalist ideology as a whole. Putin spent a significant majority of his speech highlighting the hypocrisy of Western society and the plague it has brought upon the world.

Now, you all know my field of expertise revolves around the biolabs in Ukraine. Interesting nugget from Putin thrown in this speech, his first public acknowledgement of “Bioweapons” and “human experimentation” in Ukraine and elsewhere. In the past he has allowed UN diplomats and the Ministries of Defense and Foreign affairs to address this situation, until today.

“They call the orders and threats they make to their vassals Euro-Atlantic solidarity, and the creation of biological weapons and the use of human test subjects, including in Ukraine, noble medical research.”​

It might not seem like much, but what Putin just asserted would be the two most consequential international crimes known to man. Putin just publicly accused the West of infringing the International Biological Weapons Treaty, as well as the Nuremberg Code. In case anyone needs a reminder for what the punishment for those crimes are…



As for the rest of the speech, Putin makes a plethora of legitimate points. Many of which sound very similar Trump’s narratives and talking points.

“Such self-confidence is a direct product not only of the notorious concept of exceptionalism – although it never ceases to amaze – but also of the real ‘information hunger’ in the West. The truth has been drowned in an ocean of myths, illusions and fakes, using extremely aggressive propaganda, lying like Goebbels. The more unbelievable the lie, the quicker people will believe it – that is how they operate, according to this principle.”​

Putin accurately describes the current landscape of Western media. The overwhelming majority of the public are “information hungry” because they are being deprived of the truth. Comparing the West’s censorship and propaganda to that of Nazi Germany (Goebbels).

“Western countries have been saying for centuries that they bring freedom and democracy to other nations. Nothing could be further from the truth. Instead of bringing democracy they suppressed and exploited, and instead of giving freedom they enslaved and oppressed. The unipolar world is inherently anti-democratic and unfree; it is false and hypocritical through and through.”​

Here, Putin continues to address realities that the West ignore. The Liberal-Globalists preach “freedom and democracy”, yet they do not practice what they preach. In fact they do the opposite. The Western elites are engaged in lies and deception on a global scale. Using their power as a veil to hide their horrific crimes.

“That is why politicians in Europe have to convince their fellow citizens to eat less, take a shower less often and dress warmer at home. And those who start asking fair questions like “Why is that, in fact?” are immediately declared enemies, extremists and radicals. They point back at Russia and say: that is the source of all your troubles. More lies.”​

This sounds very similar to Trump speaking at a rally. The Deep State simply blame their enemies, in this case Trump and Putin, for all of the problems that they themselves created.
 
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because there is a 10,000 word limit... continued.

The playbook is about worn out. Your liberal coworker might still believe it, but the collective world are not buying it anymore.

“Let’s answer some very simple questions for ourselves. Now I would like to return to what I said and want to address also all citizens of the country – not just the colleagues that are in the hall – but all citizens of Russia: do we want to have here, in our country, in Russia, ‘parent number one, parent number two and parent number three’ (they have completely lost it!) instead of mother and father? Do we want our schools to impose on our children, from their earliest days in school, perversions that lead to degradation and extinction? Do we want to drum into their heads the ideas that certain other genders exist along with women and men and to offer them gender reassignment surgery? Is that what we want for our country and our children? This is all unacceptable to us. We have a different future of our own.”​

Sounds like a pretty reasonable and sane stance pertaining to family and children. Similar to Trump. Rejecting the preposterous and outright INSANE ideology pushed by the Liberal-Globalists. Putin doesn’t want the Russian children subject to the psychological perversion that exists here in the West. And I can assure you 90%+ of parents worldwide agree with Putin here.

“Don’t mutilate, psychologically manipulate, and/or dehumanize our children” seems like a pretty reasonable request. But the Left-wing media tells you that they are the sane ones, and Putin is the madman.

“Let me repeat that the dictatorship of the Western elites targets all societies, including the citizens of Western countries themselves. This is a challenge to all. This complete renunciation of what it means to be human, the overthrow of faith and traditional values, and the suppression of freedom are coming to resemble a “religion in reverse” – pure Satanism. Exposing false messiahs, Jesus Christ said in the Sermon on the Mount: “By their fruits ye shall know them.” These poisonous fruits are already obvious to people, and not only in our country but also in all countries, including many people in the West itself.”​

This passage might be the most intriguing of all. Putin addresses that the victims of the Western elites include their own citizens. Highlighting that the Deep State have an agenda to dehumanize every society and dismantle all traditional values. Calling the Western elites “pure Satanism”.

Here I believe Putin is speaking to us Western citizens. Letting us know that he knows Russia’s quarrels are not with the US/West’s People, but with the elite few who run this global crime syndicate.

Does this sound like a deranged, warmongering madman to you?

Now if you read any media outlet, they won’t include anything about the “bioweapons” passage. Some of them are touching on the Satanism, with hopes that it makes Putin appear crazy, to better fuel their narrative. The Western citizens are being fed select lines from the speech in an attempt to paint Putin in a bad light and to deter people from reading the full transcript. Otherwise people might read it for themselves and come got the conclusion that Putin is not a madman and is mankind a seriously convincing and sane argument.

Sounds EXACTLY like Trump.

In conclusion, this speech tells me Trump and Putin are on the same wavelength. And we cannot ignore that much of Putin’s speech revolved around many Q-related narratives, to include: Satanism, the “Western Elite” (Deep State), Western propaganda and Orwellian dystopia, perversion of the young, and dehumanization of all traditional values and society.

The foundation of this speech sounds similar to the main talking points at a Trump rally.

We also must take careful note of Putin and Trump never directing any hostility or negative words towards each other. All throughout this process, both Putin and Trump have remained consistent that the Deep State are to blame. Never once speaking poorly of one another.

As for where this road leads, I believe we are in a controlled psychological military operation, and both Trump and Putin are in on it. The world will be pushed to what appears to be the brink of nuclear destruction, a Cuban Missile Crisis-like event will occur, we will come out unscathed, and Trump and Putin will resolve the issue in some capacity, which will result in global support and thus a global denouncing of the Deep State/Western Elite, followed by the appropriate punishment for those responsible.

The other option is that this is not a controlled op, and we are actually on the brink of nuclear destruction, in which case we are screwed anyways.
As for HOW this unfolds? I cannot tell you. Just know that things are only going to get crazier. But the crazier shit gets, the closer we get to the finish line.
-Clandestine

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Signing of treaties on accession of Donetsk and Lugansk people's republics and Zaporozhye and Kherson regions to Russia

A ceremony for signing the treaties on the accession of the Donetsk People's Republic, the Lugansk People's Republic, the Zaporozhye Region and the Kherson Region to the Russian Federation took place in of the Grand Kremlin Palace’s St George Hall.
en.kremlin.ru
 
There's also the back story for the EU hidden behind the sanctions posed by the US.

The Green New Deal - where you will own nothing and be happy. Peasants!

This foible is going to deindustrialize Germany. This will BY DESIGN destroy their production abilities. Germany is THE power house in the EU. In fact the whole EU debacle, the 'creation' of the EU, is based upon Klaus Schwab's Green New Deal... they've been planning this for decades.

This is the shadow behind political dealings nobody is talking about.



For over 10 years Putin has been telling his people to buy gold not dollars to store their wealth.

Now imagine the price of gold and silver if it wasn't manipulated...
 
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Goldhedge said:
was there a particular read in this link you were suggesting, or the whole site?
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I watch him on YT and without captions he can be a bit difficult. I would peruse the site I think his info is good.
 
This is what the people in Donetsk and Lugansk are dealing with courtesy of the US supplied weapons - remember the lies of the MSM - you won't see this on US television.

 
Alex is in Greece.

He explains what he sees about Ukraine (and other nations) from his perspective.

Putin, 'things will never be the same.' Elensky wants NATO fast track. Red Square party. Update 1
 
If you wonder how so many are being misled listen to this crap. There are quite a few more like this on YT. If you go to this moron's channel you would think Russia is on its last leg and collapsing. Coming from a planet far far away.


 
Lancers32 said:
If you wonder how so many are being misled listen to this crap. There are quite a few more like this on YT. If you go to this moron's channel you would think Russia is on its last leg and collapsing. Coming from a planet far far away.
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There are a lot of naysayers online and in our own government.

Their 'problem' is they don't understand how Russians think.

The mistake everyone is making is believing Russians think like the west. They do not!

If you follow SmoothieX12 - who IS a Russian American living in the US and ex military you learn to think as they do.

Minutiae as a tool
 
Here is an American in Taiwan Brian Berletic.

Nord Stream Attacks, New Russia, Mobilization - Russian Ops in Ukraine (Oct. 1, 2022)
 
Brian Berletic with Gonzalo Lira discussing current events in Ukraine about Zelenski begging to fast-track Ukraine's entry into NATO.

The Roundtable: Open House
 
"Armed Forces of Ukraine from anger and impotence hit Donetsk and Yasinovataya
thud, thud, thud, thud... the whamming of Ukraine's shelling of (western) Donetsk is incessant.

For three hours in the morning, three of them fired at three districts of the capital of the DPR and Yasinovataya, firing a total of 21 shells."

Telegram: Contact @chp_donetsk_vz

t.me

Eva Karene Bartlett, Reality Theories

"Armed Forces of Ukraine from anger and impotence hit Donetsk and Yasinovataya For three hours in the morning, three of them fired at three districts of the capital of the DPR and Yasinovataya, firing a total of 21 shells." https://t.me/chp_donetsk_vz/32662
t.me
 
This information may come as a surprise to the many people who are unaware that promoting this claim means they are necessarily either Russian or far-right QAnon Satanic pedophile conspiracy theorists, like for example Poland's former foreign minister and current sitting member of European Parliament Radek Sikorski, who openly thanked the United States for exploding the pipelines.​

everything but the kitchen sink!

Russia is done with the EU.

It's going to be a COLD winter in Europe....
 
I hear all about the Russian military having outdated equipment and are destined to lose. Ever hear of an Uncle Miltie. Just pull enough out to win the contest.


 
Lancers32 said:
I hear all about the Russian military having outdated equipment and are destined to lose. Ever hear of an Uncle Miltie. Just pull enough out to win the contest.


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"God gave man two heads but only enough blood to work one at a time". R. Williams
 
Blinken, Tremendous opportunity. Greece-Bulgaria pipeline. Luke Skywalker joins Elensky. Update 1
 
Most safe and secure election ever!


[Reality Theories, Eva K. Bartlett on Telegram]

Most of the fence-sitter, virtue-signalling types are so far removed from what it looks like on the ground where wars are being waged w the funding & political support of their governments.

Zero respect for those downplaying Ukraine's war on the Donbass.


Nina Byzantina @NinaByzantina Replying to @CraigMurrayOrg

Easy to have a blanket "anti-war" position when it's not YOUR people being bombed for 8 years with their language and culture being taken away.

If you’re more concerned about what narrative managers think than what is actually the truth, then well there’s your answer. This isn’t a both sides issue. There’s a right or wrong here because one is a NATO talking point still endorsing this idea anyone but the West is to blame.

What is Russia doing? Defending their people from slaughter from western backed & funded fascists. Kind of takes a precedence over generalized virtue signaling.


Worth remembering Putin demanded autonomy not partition. What alternative is there with a corrupt regime that reneged on Minsk and bombs its own people for 8 years with full western support (whose interests don't include Ukraine's welfare).
Come out of the forest and look again


Still pretending this is Russia’s invasion manufactures consent for US hegemony. Putin laid it out honestly, the west has been targeting Russia forever, especially since the fall of the USSR. This is not about Ukraine, Ukraine is the excuse, this is about crushing Russia.
https://twitter.com/FiorellaIsabelM/status/1576219389472694272

Every single one of the 133 international observers reported that the referendum was fair and no violations reported. We covered all Donbass territories & many refugee areas in Russia. Murray in Scotland knows better
https://twitter.com/VanessaBeeley/status/1576088545311137793

But this wasn’t Russia’s invasion. People asked Putin for help for 8 yrs after 14,000 ethnic Russians were murdered in the Donbass. This isn’t the same as the US “invading” Afghanistan for resource extraction & political exploitation. If Russia didn’t react they’d cease to exist.
https://twitter.com/FiorellaIsabelM/status/1576218549194199041

Eva Karene Bartlett, Reality Theories

Most of the fence-sitter, virtue-signalling types are so far removed from what it looks like on the ground where wars are being waged w the funding & political support of their governments. Zero respect for those downplaying Ukraine's war on the Donbass...
t.me
 
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