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I like XRP because it's one of those blockchain currencies that have practical utility.

XRP is the native token of the XRP Ledger (XRPL), similar to ETH for the Ethereum blockchain or BTC for Bitcoin.
Ripple is a technology company that makes it easier to build a high-performance, global payments business.

XRP can be sent directly without needing a central intermediary, making it a convenient instrument in bridging two different currencies quickly and efficiently.

- Financial Institutions can leverage XRP as a bridge currency to facilitate faster, more affordable cross-border payments around the world.
- Individual Consumers can use XRP to move different currencies around the world.

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XRP uses a consensus model that relies upon a centralized group of validators. It's not as decentralized as newer competitors. I'm not sure that it has any technical advantage over newer developments like SUI or EGLD.

There's also the issue that Ripple is working to help develop CBDCs in the hopes that it will be the bridge between them.

That said, it's got a lot of bag holders that have been waiting for years for the SEC's lawfare to end. A whole lot of them are shameless pumpers on X right now with predictions that make our crazy crystal ball thread seem reasonable by comparison. There are some tailwinds pushing XRP higher right now with the final SEC lawsuit about to be dropped and some spot ETF applications getting filed.
 
What central intermediary would say a Bitcoin or Ethereum have?
Hi VD, I was copy/pasting from their website :snidely:

I think they were comparing themselves to the banking system, not to BTC or ETH.
 


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It might make folks some coin as a trading vehicle. There are some big tailwinds happening for XRP right now.

But big picture - no, I do not like what they are doing. They (Ripple) are actively trying to build and facilitate evil (CBDCs). The XRP network is built upon a centralized, authoritarian structure. It's the antithesis of the promise/ideal of decentralized crypto. I can't in good conscience like it as a project worth supporting. $.02
 
They (Ripple) are actively trying to build and facilitate evil (CBDCs). The XRP network is built upon a centralized, authoritarian structure. It's the antithesis of the promise/ideal of decentralized crypto. I can't in good conscience like it as a project worth supporting. $.02
I wasn't aware of the CBDC's related background. Thanks PMB
I agree with you that there is a lot of pumping in the XRP community - at least on X.

My point was that unlike many cryptocoins that don't offer any utility other than speculating/gambling XRP facilitates international trade by facilitating transcurrency transactions.

Currently Ripple is launching their USD backed stablecoin - RLUSD. I was wondering how XRP and RLUSD are connected. Finally I found this post on Reddit.

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If you are plugged in to Ripple pumpers on social media, you have likely seen a whole lot of smoke about Ripple being adopted/used by Japanese banks, BoA et al and XRP is going (from ~$2.30) to $10,000 (or more!). Some absolutely ridiculous and shameless pumping happening out there. Anyways (FWIW)...

My friend who is an investor at JPMorgan said this about $XRP:
"So the japan bank stuff has to be priced in already in turn with a lot of speculation. There’s no developer or user activity (more fundamental based research) to analyze the blockchain. It’s smoke and mirrors in my opinion. The only value accrual I see is a commission on transactions which banks won’t like that happening.
They won’t replace swift, there is no defi, and there’s no value creation in the tokenomics. The banks already have their own internal currencies "

XRP's centralization compared to Ethereum and Solana can be quantified in several ways:

Node Requirements:
XRP: Strict requirements for becoming a validator node, including high-performance hardware, robust internet connection, and adherence to Ripple's Unique Node List (UNL).
Ethereum: Lower barrier to entry for running a node, with options for light nodes and full nodes.
Solana: High hardware requirements, but no centralized list of approved validators.

Validator Influence:
XRP: Ripple's UNL has significant influence over which validators are trusted.
Ethereum: No centralized authority determines validator trustworthiness.
Solana: Foundation has some influence, but less centralized than XRP's model.

Token Distribution:
XRP: Ripple Labs holds about 48 billion XRP (48% of total supply) in escrow.
Ethereum: More widely distributed, with no single entity holding a majority.
Solana: More distributed than XRP, but with some concentration among early investors.

Consensus Mechanism:
XRP: Federated Consensus (RPCA) relies on a smaller set of trusted validators.
Ethereum: Proof-of-Stake allows for broader participation.
Solana: Proof-of-Stake with Proof-of-History allows for wide participation but with higher hardware requirements.

Development Control:
XRP: Ripple Labs has significant influence over protocol development.
Ethereum: More decentralized development process with multiple client implementations.
Solana: Foundation has influence, but development is more open than XRP.

@Justin_Bons
, founder of Cyber Capital, has raised several concerns about XRP's centralization and decentralization claims:

Centralized Unique Node Lists (UNLs): XRP relies on UNLs, which are centralized lists of trusted nodes issued by entities like the XRP Foundation.
This system resembles Proof of Authority (PoA) rather than more decentralized mechanisms like Proof of Work (PoW) or Proof of Stake (PoS).

Foundation Control: Bons argues that the XRP Foundation has de facto control over the entire network.
Nodes not on the approved UNLs are effectively excluded from participating in consensus.

Lack of Validator Incentives: Unlike PoW or PoS systems, XRP doesn't provide incentives for validators.
This absence undermines the network's decentralization claims.

Token Distribution Concerns: Ripple's 99.8% pre-mine and reliance on selling founder-held XRP raise fairness issues.
Bons claims this creates one of the most inequitable token distributions in crypto history.

Trustless Design Failure: XRP's system fails to deliver the blockchain's trustless design.
The reliance on a trusted validator list contradicts the ideal of permissionless participation.

Misleading Investors: Bons accuses Ripple of misleading investors about XRP's level of decentralization.
He argues that attracting retail buyers with false decentralization claims is "straight-up fraud."

Proposed Solution: Bons suggests adding a PoS mechanism to replace the UNL system.
This would transform XRP into a more conventional decentralized blockchain.

XRP's centralization and lack of robust interoperability pose significant challenges for its long-term viability and adoption. With Ripple Labs controlling 43% of the total XRP supply, there are legitimate concerns about potential price manipulation and market control. This centralized token distribution, coupled with the network's reliance on a Unique Node List (UNL) largely influenced by Ripple, raises questions about XRP's true decentralization. Furthermore, the absence of substantial interoperability bridges limits XRP's utility in the broader cryptocurrency ecosystem. While efforts like Flare Networks aim to bridge XRP with Ethereum, these solutions are still in development and not widely implemented. The lack of seamless integration with other blockchains restricts XRP users from participating in the growing DeFi sector and limits the cryptocurrency's potential use cases. As the crypto industry increasingly values interoperability and decentralization, XRP's current structure may hinder its ability to compete effectively with more adaptable and interconnected blockchain networks.
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