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& again another net change of -106 000 ounces!

New Total: 7 095 952

That's 312 000 ounces removed over 3 days!

(They also received +-50 000 ounces in the latest report and in yesterdays as well, so if it hadn't been for that, there would have been over 400k ounces removed!)
 
Yep. That's the 312K ounces that Unbeatable mentioned. COMEX vaults are leaking like a sieve.
 
PMB, thanks for that. I didn't make the connection..., actually did read it...
 
Not much has been happening regards Comex deliveries the last few days.
But they had a reasonable size withdrawel today of 90 000 ounces from JP Morgan.

This leaves them (JPM) with a total of only 436 000 ounces and only 46 000 eligible ounces left!

It also finally brings the total for all them to under 7 million ounces - 6 989 165 ounces

Edit: From ZH in pictures...

For over a month, JPMorgan managed to mysteriously avoid matching up the gold held in its (world's largest) vault with the Comex delivery notice update. However, as of today, that particular can will be kicked no more. Starting yesterday, JPM reported that just under 12,000 ounces of Eligible gold (the same Registered gold that two days earlier saw its warrants detached and convert to eligible) were withdrawn from its warehouse 100 feet below CMP 1. But it was today's move that was the kicker, as a whopping 90,311 ounces of eligible gold were withdrawn, accounting for a massive 66% of the firm's entire inventory of non-Registered gold, and leaving a token 46K ounces, or a little over 1 tonne in JPM's possession.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...mets-66-one-day-total-gold-fresh-all-time-low
 
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A journalist on scene on Wall Street this evening has just sent us footage of a massive fleet of Firetrucks and ambulances in front of JP Morgan’s headquarters at 1 Chase Manhattan Plaza, with fire-fighters stating they are responding to a COMMERCIAL VAULT FIRE IN THE BASEMENT!

With JPM’s gold inventory plunging 66% Friday to an all-time low of 46,000 ounces, and with reportedly over 502,000 ounces still standing against JPM for the JUNE gold contract, is the long anticipated force-majeure event in progress?
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http://www.silverdoctors.com/breaki...ent-of-1-chase-manhattan-plaza-force-majeure/

I posted the reported fire in it's own thread but obviously it might impact/relate to JPM's comex deliveries that we were just talking about here.
 
An update says it wasn't the vault that holds their gold (if any). But I could see where they might want to disappear a bunch of paper records...which burn fine, unlike gold. That is, if they even have paper, rather than some easy-to-wipe bits on disks. Of course, with the number of computers they have, and whatever backups, actually wiping out all the bits can be problematic if say, someone with my skills was investigating. But not to worry - the .gov doesn't really have those skills in abundance, and surely not in the agencies that might want to do the looking. Heck, they just discovered porn on the internet and stopped there - how hard is that?
 
Looked at the comex report this evening and it says 103k ounces of eligible gold were removed from HSBC.

New total of all Comex gold - 6 885 681
 
And referencing the Edmund Fitzgerald once again (punchline at the end of the article):

http://www.goldmoney.com/gold-resea...derivative-distortions.html?gmrefcode=dollarc

Gold derivative distortions
2013-JUL-21

The purpose of this article is to explain how derivatives have distorted gold prices with particular reference to the US futures markets. This will enable us to anticipate the price effect when the distortion is eventually unwound.

When a derivative is created it diverts supply and demand from the underlying commodity. If it is then hedged into the underlying commodity the price effect is the same as if it was a simple commodity transaction. Enter the “honest speculator”, who is neither producer nor consumer, but seeks to profit by trading derivatives for profit, without an intention of taking delivery. The speculator who does not roll his positions into subsequent future contracts brings forward demand or supply only to reverse the price effect later in the life of the contract. In this case speculators provide liquidity with no lasting price distortions.

So far we have considered markets which are essentially free. In the US futures markets, this changed when banks were permitted to act as “commercials”, despite the fact they are in fact speculators in the original market definition. The nature of the futures market changed from this moment to one where speculative positions have become more or less permanent.

In the case of gold and silver the banks have absorbed physical demand by continually running net short positions. We cannot say that all of this demand would have existed without the banks’ intervention; however there is no doubt that the expansion of the overall market by the addition of permanent short positions has led to lower prices overall than would otherwise be the case.

If futures markets are not to distort prices on a prolonged basis three conditions must apply: every player must be motivated only by profit, the banks must commit only their own resources and no one else’s, and there must be periodic liquidation of speculative positions. Instead, there is little doubt that there is political intervention, the banks are too big to fail which allows them to commit funds they would not otherwise commit, and there has been no overall liquidation of speculative positions. The result is that banks have been able to manipulate prices, and pricing has become distorted, confirmed by emigration of gold away from derivative markets.

The third condition cited above needs further explanation. Since March speculative longs have been liquidated through stop-loss orders, leaving a core of longs inaccurately regarded as speculators. The banks have closed their short positions by encouraging new speculators to open short positions, so the speculators are all now on the short side. They don’t realise it yet, but the speculator shorts are the now only true speculators in the market. Therefore when they come to close their positions, there is no one to provide them the necessary market liquidity except on a completely different and higher price basis.

The net effect on the gold price so far has been to suppress it. Demand for physical has increased at lower prices as one would expect, leading to a physical liquidity crisis on US futures markets. At the same time a parallel liquidity crisis has developed on the London Bullion Market, evidenced by negative gold forward rates.

It has the makings of a perfect storm.
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might be a bit off topic but FOFOA has just posted a fascinating and unusually succinct (for him) explanation of what he considers is happening -

http://fofoa.blogspot.co.uk/


hey wow, I just got me a new jacket !
how do I look fellas ?
 
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The COMEX must change it's policy soon?
http://www.jsmineset.com/2013/07/22/comex-must-change-its-delivery-mechanism-soon/

"The highest probability is that Comex will have to move to cash settlement rather than gold. Part of that settlement could be lots of 100,000 GLD that represents the ability to exchange for gold.

Their problem is that if GLD is part of the settlement mechanism for the spot Comex contract that GLD will be destroyed by the convertibility. It is a truism in gold that which is convertible into gold will in fact be converted over time."
 
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Tonight, the Comex registered or dealer inventory of gold falls again and this time, well below the 1 million oz mark at 939.501 million oz or 29.22 tonnes. This is dangerously low especially when we are now into the August delivery month. The total of all gold at the comex (dealer and customer) rises slightly tonight but still well below the 7 million oz barrier resting at 6.991 million oz or 217.46 tonnes.

JPMorgan's customer inventory remains constant tonight at only 46,069.447 oz or 1.43 tonnes. It's dealer inventory rests at 390,092.326 oz (12.13 tonnes) but it still must settle upon contracts issued in the May and June delivery month which far exceeds its inventory. (see (i) last Wednesday's Bill Kaye interview with Lars Schall on the lack of deliveries at the comex per outstanding issuances and (ii) Alasdair Macleod yesterday with Max Keiser).
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http://harveyorgan.blogspot.com/2013/07/july-31no-change-in-gld-and-slvcomex.html
 
... The move toward backwardation in the GOFO rates is significant in my mind because it is occurring at the same time that COMEX stands to lose roughly 60% of their registered Gold. If no more Gold enters the dealer side between now and Dec. we will have a disastrous "cash settlement" which of course will not be called a default… but in reality and practicality "default" it will be.

December currently has contracts open representing 22 million Gold ounces while the registered Gold is only 700,000 ounces. Once October is finished there will be only 300,000 ounces remaining unless the inventory is replenished. (Please keep in mind that JP Morgan has had exactly ZERO outside ounces delivered in since Jan. 1st). This is a default in the making! What has been done time after time looks to be happening again, supply has tightened up …and yes, exactly at the same time that "price" has been pushed down. This economically makes no sense whatsoever from a supply and demand standpoint. If actual Gold was being sold supply would be plentiful and there would be no pressure for GOFO rates to go negative. Friday’s dump in price was clearly new short selling as the open interest rose over 7,000 contracts or 700,000 ounces. Who has this amount of metal to either sell or sell short? The answer is NO ONE!
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More: http://www.jsmineset.com/2013/10/15/jims-mailbox-1377/
 
I say bring on the default already. I want the world to finally wake up to the fraud that is paper gold and realize they have [paper holders] all been had.
 
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Your Wed-Thu totals are: ... GLD "inventory" down 6.9 mts or about 222,000 ounces.

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Your Wed-Thu Comex Vault totals are: An increase of 197,307 ounces, all in the eligible category.

Putting it together, I have no remaining doubts. "Quod Erat Demonstrandum".

The bullion banks are desperate for gold to settle in both London and New York. We see it in the declining Comex stocks and the occasional London Forward Rate backwardation. In order to settle their current obligations and replenish their vaults for future delivery requirements, the bullion banks now regularly orchestrate predictable raids on paper price in order to create the selling conditions which give them cover to raid the "inventory" of the GLD for their own use.
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More: http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/blog/5167/pillaging-gld
 
PMBug said:
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[GLD]May 6.2013:
Tonnes 1,062.30 - Ounces 34,153,900.65 - Value US $50.153 billion

May 3.2013:
Tonnes 1,065.61 - Ounces 34,260,271.68 - Value US $50.311 billion

May 2.2013:
Tonnes 1,069.21 - Ounces 34,376,316.61 - Value US $50.482 billion
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http://harveyorgan.blogspot.com/2013/05/gold-continues-to-leave-comexonly-57.html

The "vacuum cleaners" are still sucking away.
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From Friday:
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Oct 18:
Tonnes 882.23 - Ounces 28,364,468.08 - Value US $37.333 billion

Oct 17:
Tonnes 882.23 - Ounces 28,364,468.08 - Value US $37,411 billion

Oct 16:
Tonnes 885.53 - Ounces 28,470,642.88 - Value US $36,249 billion
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http://harveyorgan.blogspot.com/2013/10/oct-18bchinese-interests-purchase.html
 
SRSrocco says silver "does not make sense":
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In a little more than a half a year, the silver stocks at the Shanghai warehouses have declined 692 tonnes or 62% of their total before the April 12th silver & gold price take-down. It is quite interesting that the silver inventories in Shanghai continue to decline, even though at a slower pace in the past month, while the Comex silver levels remain about the same as they were in April.

Lastly, there are some very interesting trends taking place with U.S. scrap silver exports that I will discuss in a later article. Let’s just say, silver scrap from the United States is showing some significant changes in the amount and type that is being exported.
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http://srsroccoreport.com/shanghai-...e/shanghai-silver-stocks-continue-to-decline/

No word (yet?) on any potential correlation of COMEX silver stocks and SLV inventories mirroring what's happening in gold with GLD/COMEX.
 
That was a pretty good article Aubuy, and the comments were very telling of the disconnect between metal and paper. I can't believe how many folks still do not realize what is going on at the big "market-making" banks with all their paper commodities.
 
PMBug said:
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From Friday:
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Oct 18:
Tonnes 882.23 - Ounces 28,364,468.08 - Value US $37.333 billion

Oct 17:
Tonnes 882.23 - Ounces 28,364,468.08 - Value US $37,411 billion

Oct 16:
Tonnes 885.53 - Ounces 28,470,642.88 - Value US $36,249 billion
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The steady decline in GLD inventory continues. 10.21 tons over the last week:

Oct 25:
Tonnes 872.02 - Ounces 28,036,311.27 - Value US $37,774 billion

Oct 24:
Tonnes 876.52 - Ounces 28,181,083.24 - Value US $37,885 billion

Oct 23:
Tonnes 878.32 - Ounces 28,238,992.63 - Value US $37,582 billion

http://harveyorgan.blogspot.com/2013/10/oct-252013gld-loses-another-45-tonnes.html
 
Our friend Bron Sucheki published an interesting post on his blog yesterday:
... kilo bars are primarily a size in demand in the India/Asian region rather than the US, and most of the bars in COMEX I guess would be 100oz. I note that the rulebook specifies a minimum of 99.5% purity whereas kilo bars for the Asian market are generally demanded to 99.99% purity. As it costs more to make 99.99 than 99.5, a bullion bank isn't going to put 99.99 kilo bars into COMEX and may not be able to use 99.5 COMEX bars to meet Asian demand without re-refining. So we sort of have two separate kilobar markets.

The end result of the above facts is that kilo bars in COMEX I guess would rare. Therefore, TF was on to something when he saw kilo bar movements into COMEX, the problem is he got the analysis completely backwards.

If Asian demand is high and a bullion bank can get good premiums on 99.99 kilobars, they are going to ask refiners to turn all mine dore into 99.99 kilo bars. So if we see 99.5 bars going into COMEX then it may be an indicator that Asian demand has eased. Maybe JPM had commitments with refiners to buy their output for a period of time, and if Asian demand had eased then they may have just asked their refineries to make 99.5 (for all we know maybe those deliveries were 99.99 kilo bars) and they are just parking them in their COMEX warehouse, waiting for Asian demand to return.

This Tuesday report from Reuters confirms the theory: Asia Gold-Chinese prices at a discount on credit crunch fears:
"'The rise in borrowing costs in onshore China plays a crucial role. People don't want to keep the metal and they try to dump it to raise cash,' said one precious metals trader in Hong Kong. Another trader said there had not been a significant drop in demand but liquidation of stocks was taking its toll on prices."
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... keep an eye on the CME reports - if there are movements of round ounce tonne lots, indicative of kilo bars, out of the warehouses then it may be an advance bullish signal of Asian demand returning.
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http://goldchat.blogspot.com.au/2013/10/more-deception-about-comex.html
 
Harvey reports GLD inventory hasn't changed since Oct. 25:

Oct 31:
Tonnes 872.02 - Ounces 28,036,311.27 - Value US $37,106 billion

This would, I think, be supportive of Bron's assertions above.
 
pump..pump..pump ... the sound of the fed expanding the equity balloon. The hot money is chasing stocks right now.
 
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GLD:
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November 1: after a 4 day hiatus, gold lost a monstrous 5.7 tonnes ...

Tonnes 866.32 - Ounces 27,852,949.60 - Value US$36,382 billion
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http://harveyorgan.blogspot.com/2013/11/a-huge-adjustment-at-comex-causes-total.html

Last week was turning out to be the quietest week in months in terms of COMEX gold inventories, until we had a large registered gold transfer that was reported late on Friday. This transfer took COMEX gold registered stocks to a new all-time low at just above 650,000 total registered gold ounces.
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Total COMEX gold stocks only declined by a minute 499 ounces for the week, which was the quietest week we've seen in quite some time. But the week was marked by a large late week transfer of 48,652 gold ounces from registered gold inventory (deliverable) to eligible gold inventory (non-deliverable). This took total COMEX registered gold stocks to a new all-time low, falling past the previous low of 665,243 ounces seen in early September.

Finally, let us take a look at possibly the most important number when it comes to COMEX gold inventories - the registered gold cover ratio. We've discussed this in-depth in a previous article so please refer to that article for details, but in a nutshell it is the amount of investors owning a claim to each registered gold ounce (i.e. owner per registered gold ounce).

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As investors can see, after declining a bit, owners-per-registered ounce advanced to 55 owners-per-registered ounce - which leaves us near historic record highs. In fact, before this year we've never seen above 40 owners-per-registered ounce - even during the spike in gold in 2011.
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Additionally, we're seeing more and more owners per registered ounce in terms of the COMEX paper trading - if a mere 2% of outstanding contracts were held until delivery, there simply wouldn't be enough gold to cover it at current registered gold levels.
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http://seekingalpha.com/article/179...tered-gold-inventories-hit-a-new-all-time-low
 
Last week was another quiet week in terms of the number of physical gold transaction on the COMEX, which was very similar to the previous week. But on Thursday we saw one of the largest transactions in weeks as over 50,000 ounces of registered gold from the HSBC warehouse was transferred from registered to eligible status. This took COMEX registered gold inventories to a new all-time low at under 600,000 ounces.
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The drop in registered gold inventories resulted in a new all-time high in owners-per-registered ounce, as the ratio soared to over 68.5 owners per registered gold ounce. Let us take a step back and understand what this means - it means that if only 1 contract out of every 68 contracts on the COMEX asked for delivery, there will not be enough gold to cover the delivery requirements. To see how abnormal this is, all one has to do is look at that last chart in the image above and see the unprecedented and parabolic rise in the "Number of Owners Per Ounce." As we always advise investors, whenever you see a parabola in anything financial, it usually precedes a major event. We believe something is coming - we just don't know what and when.
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http://seekingalpha.com/article/184...old-hits-new-lows-as-gold-claims-surge-higher
 
GLD inventory back on the (downward) move:

Nov 20/2013: Today we lost 2.7 tonnes of gold ...

Tonnes 860.31 - Ounces 27,659,859.22 - Value US$34,759 billion
 
GLD continues free fallin':

Nov 22.2013: we had another huge bleed of 4.5 tonnes

Tonnes 852.21 - Ounces 27,399,356.44 - Value US$34,136 billion

http://harveyorgan.blogspot.com/2013/11/gld-loses-rather-large-45-tonnes-gld.html

Last week ended with COMEX gold inventories hovering near all-time lows after seeing slight gains in registered gold ounces, though in eligible gold ounces the weekly gain was of a decent size. As we get closer to December, which is the month that traditionally has the most deliveries, it may get rather interesting with registered inventories at such historically low levels.

Another interesting thing to take note of is that COMEX open interest (the number of gold contracts outstanding) has been creeping up, from 40.2 million contracted ounces to 40.8 million ounces over the past week. This is something quite interesting ...

As investors can see, last week saw a decent size rise in total COMEX gold inventories as 33,271 ounces were added to COMEX warehouses - which makes this the seventh week in a row that gold has been added to COMEX eligible inventories. Registered gold inventories also saw an increase, but it was a mere 2,180 ounces, which makes it a tiny change and the smallest weekly move in registered gold over the past two months.

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Even though registered gold inventories increased slightly over the past week, investors will notice that the owners-per-ounce ratio actually increased during the week to a new all-time high of 69 owners per registered gold ounce. This was primarily due to the increase in outstanding COMEX gold contracts as more traders opened gold contracts during the week.

As we alluded to in our introduction, we've also been seeing the open interest increasing in COMEX gold over the last few weeks, as seen in the 6-month chart below.

In layman's speak, an increase in open interest that is paired with declining prices suggests that new short positions are being opened up because traders are opening new contracts at the bid of the gold price rather than the ask.
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http://seekingalpha.com/article/186...x-registered-gold-hovering-near-all-time-lows
 
PMBug,
With all of this gold purportedly fleeing the GLD warehouse, is there any new stock coming in to replace it? If GLD sold X quantity of shares, but they release Y ounces of gold from stock to satisfy some big order, or part of a big order, don't they need to replace the gold? I would think that there is some invisible line on the chart that cannot be crossed if the fund is to remain viable. At some point the other "investors" will certainly see that they are either being diluted out of their gold or that it simply can never be delivered. In any case, it looks like GLD is going the same way as the Crimex.......broke. I notice that Sprott has faced some recent redemption as well, and pretty large at that.

Is all this gold being sent to china? I read somewhere that a hell of a lot of gold has been sent to the Rand Refinery in SA for re-casting in to Asian acceptable bar sizes. At some point there will simply be no more vaulted gold with which to suppress prices. that day will be an interesting one. I'll bet the columns of smoke will be visible for miles and miles.
 
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With all of this gold purportedly fleeing the GLD warehouse, is there any new stock coming in to replace it? ...
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My understanding is that when new stock is added, it should be reflected on the same reports that Harvey, et. al. are using. Ie. No, GLD is not adding new ("net") inventory.

ancona said:
If GLD sold X quantity of shares, but they release Y ounces of gold from stock to satisfy some big order, or part of a big order, don't they need to replace the gold? ...
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No. See http://www.bullionbullscanada.com/i...r-for-gld&catid=48:gold-commentary&Itemid=131

Originally mentioned in this thread (for reference): http://www.pmbug.com/forum/f2/gold-etfs-iau-etc-130/

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I would think that there is some invisible line on the chart that cannot be crossed if the fund is to remain viable. ...
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Same issue with the US Dollar. It's a confidence game.

 
At some point, when the mines have shut down enough production and China ramps demand further, and when the market simply cannot get their hands on any gold at any price, a paradigm shift must take place. I've been watching the show for quite a few years now and it appears [at least to me] that the fundamental flaws in their"paper system" are beginning to show some serious stress. As conditions become worse around the world, and the value of paper becomes more and more evident [$0.00] I believe there will be a rush to get in to metals that rivals anything we have seen so far. this time I believe that once gold and silver break their paper bonds, the paper pushers will not be able to regain the faith of the People for at least a generation.

With the latest rumblings from the banking sector about charging depositors for the privilege of "holding" their money [as an unsecured loan], and the deterioration of banks overall as a result of their dependence on QE4evr, we may also be facing another collapse.

Gold and silver held outside the corrupt banking regime will be the only wealth left after the smoke clears.
 
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This week saw a decline in COMEX gold interest as outstanding contract ounces declined from 40.83 million ounces to 38.65 million ounces. But this is hardly surprising as US trading was quite slow for the Thanksgiving holiday and we expect to see an increase again next week as trading picks up. We also note that owners-per-registered-ounce remains extremely high at 65.4, and as the chart above shows, we remain on our parabolic rise in this statistic.

Finally, Indian premiums are again touching highs, and the new Chinese Lunar year approaches. Could major traders be trying to depress the price before December deliveries? We would not be surprised.
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http://seekingalpha.com/article/186...for-activity-but-december-deliveries-approach
 
rblong2us said:
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and in the comments theres a few knowledgable folk .........
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I noticed our friend Bron Suchecki weighed in a few times, but never addressed the main assertion. Is the Perth Mint long and taking delivery?
 
Blimey Bug

I just noticed youve gone over 5000 posts !

Thats a lot of time youve given us all

Thank You. :cheers:
 
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Bron Suchecki and FOFOA have been having some civil disagreements recently. And who knows WTF is going on with the GLD (not me!)?

I am just worrying about the state of the Central Bank of DoChenRollingBearing now.

Like I should worry about lying other central banks and "holders" (?) of physical gold. Yeah, sure...

/sarc

/LOL

:gold:
 
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Does anyone know who is standing for all of those delivery warrants from the Comex in December? I just read somewhere that it is JPM, but want to be sure.:gold:
 
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