DOGE - USAID et al

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Jeff S chimes in.

🚨 Government Just Announced a New Stimulus – This DESTROY The Economy​

Feb 20, 2025
WTF!? This really better be a stunt or a bad joke because if it's not then we're faced with more bad economics. This proposal is exactly the SH&% that is supposed to be ending. The government wouldn't be giving anyone "their" money back, just borrowing more to make it look like that would what happens.


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- Milton Friedman - Tyranny of the Status Quo - Part 1 - Beneficiaries w/ David Brooks • Milton Friedman - Tyranny of the Stat...
- The Hill Adviser behind ‘DOGE dividend’ check program: It’s reasonablehttps://thehill.com/business/5154650-...
- Fox $5,000 DOGE check? Trump backs idea to send some savings to Americanshttps://www.fox9.com/news/5000-doge-d...

CBO
- https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2025...
- https://www.cbo.gov/publication/60870....
 
Interesting that Q exposed this already several years ago... but that's just a coincidence...

 
searcher said:
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Jeff S chimes in.

🚨 Government Just Announced a New Stimulus – This DESTROY The Economy​

Feb 20, 2025
WTF!? This really better be a stunt or a bad joke because if it's not then we're faced with more bad economics. This proposal is exactly the SH&% that is supposed to be ending. The government wouldn't be giving anyone "their" money back, just borrowing more to make it look like that would what happens.


18:31

- Milton Friedman - Tyranny of the Status Quo - Part 1 - Beneficiaries w/ David Brooks • Milton Friedman - Tyranny of the Stat...
- The Hill Adviser behind ‘DOGE dividend’ check program: It’s reasonablehttps://thehill.com/business/5154650-...
- Fox $5,000 DOGE check? Trump backs idea to send some savings to Americanshttps://www.fox9.com/news/5000-doge-d...

CBO
- https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2025...
- https://www.cbo.gov/publication/60870....
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This is a major mistake.

And now that he's put the idea out, it will be harder to walk backwards.
 
Goldhedge said:
Panic

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Is this the result of MX-Ultra, or is it a paid political advertisement?

I love his hat. He learned nothing from the LA fires. Would he be full of the warm fuzzies if the FBI was headed by a black dyke with an 85 IQ?
 
Just read on X that they got the go ahead to dismantle USAID. Courts are out of the way now.

As we have been seeing, the Biden administration was funneling billions to multiple agencies in an attempt to try and hide their slush funds. Once those are all uncovered and shut down it will be interesting to see if democrats ever get funding again to run campaigns.
 
Voodoo said:
And make ANY direct taxation an immediate Unconstitutional Law with anyone trying to collect subject to Treason charges. Gotta make sure it doesn't come back.
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If we had direct taxes, we wouldn't even be in this situation.

Direct taxes, is how gov SHOULD be taxing people.

Direct taxes have to be uniform. Ie: same amount for everyone paying.


Cigarlover said:
It already is. The Moore decision last year confirmed that the income tax is an indirect tax.
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Well it sure ain't a direct tax. What it is, is a tax on privileged activity.


Cigarlover said:
No thank you. I had enough inflation when they sent out the covid money. None of that went to non tax payers and only tax payers were supposed get it. Not sure how all the welfare people qualified but they did. However, us non taxpayers were certainly screwed by the inflation.
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Really, any savings should go towards debt reduction, and then lower tax rates so as not to collect more than needed.


However, if all the gov does is to return excess funds that taxpayers already paid, it won't be inflationary. How could it be? That money already existed. You giving $$$ to the gov to spend, is no different than if you had spent it.

The reason the covid funds were inflationary, was that those funds were newly created and then given to people to spend at a time when production of goods and services had been artificially slowed and/or stopped. Ie: lots more money chasing fewer goods and services.



On the subject of DOGE refunds, anyone complaining about what they are doing, should go on the record now that they will be returning any check they may receive from the gov related to DOGE activities.
 
Casey Jones said:
Is this the result of MX-Ultra, or is it a paid political advertisement?

I love his hat. He learned nothing from the LA fires. Would he be full of the warm fuzzies if the FBI was headed by a black dyke with an 85 IQ?
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MK-Ultra?

I believe this is Eric Swalwell? Slept with a Chinese spy and farted on live TV?

If you click on the link and scroll down a piece it discusses 'him'.
 
So what happens when they release the client list? Does the list refer to the underage girls they had sex with or is it just a list of names? We keep hearing about the list but where is all the photo and video evidence? Haven't heard a word about that. I dont think that should be released but it should be used to prosecute. If they have that evidence there should be indictments and arrests before the list is released. If they dont have the evidence then the list is meaningless speculation.

Over 150 women have sued the Epstein estate and settled. Those were the ones he abused. Where are all the women that slept with all those on the list and why haven't they come forward to claim a piece of Epsteins estate? Why haven't they sued or prosecuted the clients themselves?
Then of course we have the government. Seems like they knew about this for a very long time. At least since his 1st prosecution. Will those that covered this up be exposed? Will those that refused to prosecute be exposed and prosecuted?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 
Lower case usa is the 'organic' Constitution whereas U.S.A. is the corporate Constitution: http://usavsus.info/

Trump is talking about removing the IRS and therefore 'income tax'.




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🚨 BREAKING: Trump just told a group of governors - Democrats included - they need to switch to paper ballots in their elections and same-day voting.

He also said to verify citizenship to vote and voter ID, and that Elon Musk supports this.

"It's called 'watermark.' It's impossible to copy, impossible to cheat... highly sophisticated."

"Those 4 things... if you did 2-day or 3-day voting, [fine]... Other states too, they were weeks after the election. [Imagine] if it were a close election."

"I did ask @ElonMusk - he said, 'Computers are not meant for voting. Too many transactions taking place.'"

"Paper ballots - I hope, certainly the Republican governors... it'll cost you 8% of what the costs are now."
 
Joe King said:
If we had direct taxes, we wouldn't even be in this situation.

Direct taxes, is how gov SHOULD be taxing people.

Direct taxes have to be uniform. Ie: same amount for everyone paying.



Well it sure ain't a direct tax. What it is, is a tax on privileged activity.



Really, any savings should go towards debt reduction, and then lower tax rates so as not to collect more than needed.


However, if all the gov does is to return excess funds that taxpayers already paid, it won't be inflationary. How could it be? That money already existed. You giving $$$ to the gov to spend, is no different than if you had spent it.

The reason the covid funds were inflationary, was that those funds were newly created and then given to people to spend at a time when production of goods and services had been artificially slowed and/or stopped. Ie: lots more money chasing fewer goods and services.



On the subject of DOGE refunds, anyone complaining about what they are doing, should go on the record now that they will be returning any check they may receive from the gov related to DOGE activities.
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Fair is the word of the communists. Gonna strongly disagree.
 
Goldhedge said:


🚨 BREAKING: Trump just told a group of governors - Democrats included - they need to switch to paper ballots in their elections and same-day voting.

He also said to verify citizenship to vote and voter ID, and that Elon Musk supports this.

"It's called 'watermark.' It's impossible to copy, impossible to cheat... highly sophisticated."

"Those 4 things... if you did 2-day or 3-day voting, [fine]... Other states too, they were weeks after the election. [Imagine] if it were a close election."

"I did ask
@ElonMusk
- he said, 'Computers are not meant for voting. Too many transactions taking place.'"

"Paper ballots - I hope, certainly the Republican governors... it'll cost you 8% of what the costs are now."
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Whats he going to do about it? I agree with him but he has no control over how the states run their elections. I think a constitutional amendment would need to be passed in order for that to change.
 
Voodoo said:
Fair is the word of the communists. Gonna strongly disagree.
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Disagree with what? I never even used the word "fair".

Apparently you don't want the problem of big bloated gov fixed?
 
Joe King said:
If we had direct taxes, we wouldn't even be in this situation.

Direct taxes, is how gov SHOULD be taxing people.

Direct taxes have to be uniform. Ie: same amount for everyone paying.
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GROK

The U.S. Constitution addresses taxation, including the concepts of "equal" and "apportioned" taxes, primarily in Article I, which outlines Congress’s powers. Let’s break it down based on the relevant sections.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 grants Congress the power to “lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.” This is the first key point: taxes like duties and excises must be uniform, meaning they apply at the same rate or standard across all states. This reflects the idea of "equal" taxation in the sense of geographic consistency—no state gets preferential treatment on these levies.

Then there’s Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, which ties taxation to representation: “Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers.” This introduces apportionment, meaning direct taxes must be divided among the states based on population. The original text included a formula counting enslaved persons as three-fifths of a person for this purpose, though that was later altered by the 14th Amendment. The point is, a direct tax—think property or head taxes—can’t just be a flat national sum; it has to be split proportionally by state population.

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4 reinforces this: “No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.” A capitation tax (a poll tax) or any direct tax must be apportioned. This rule was meant to ensure fairness by tying tax burdens to a state’s share of the population, preventing Congress from arbitrarily hammering one region over another.

So, “equal” here doesn’t mean every person pays the same amount—it’s about uniformity in certain taxes (duties, imposts, excises) across states. “Apportioned” applies specifically to direct taxes, requiring them to align with population distribution. The Framers were balancing centralized power with state equity, reflecting the messy compromise of a federal system.

This apportionment rule caused headaches, though. In 1895, the Supreme Court in Pollock v. Farmers’ Loan & Trust Co. struck down an income tax because it wasn’t apportioned by state population, calling it a direct tax. That led to the 16th Amendment in 1913, which says: “The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.” This effectively unshackled income taxes from the apportionment requirement, sidelining that old rule for most modern taxation.

In practice, the Constitution originally aimed for fairness through uniformity (for indirect taxes) and apportionment (for direct taxes). Today, the 16th Amendment means income taxes—our biggest federal levy—don’t follow either, leaving “equal and apportioned” as a historical framework more than a current mandate.
 
Goldhedge said:
So, “equal” here doesn’t mean every person pays the same amount—it’s about uniformity in certain taxes (duties, imposts, excises) across states.
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For apportioned direct taxes they would pay the same amount.

Goldhedge said:
“Apportioned” applies specifically to direct taxes, requiring them to align with population distribution.
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Yes. Divided by population.

Goldhedge said:
leaving “equal and apportioned” as a historical framework more than a current mandate.
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Didn't say it was the currant way of how it worked, but rather that that's how it should be. Ie: everyone paying an equal amount for equal government services.


It's the only way of making sure the gov doesn't have the funds to become over grown and bloated. It would be forced to only spend $ on the most important things that most people all agree that needs to be done. There'd be no money for bullshit projects.

Also, we are all supposed to be equal in the eye's of government, so it makes zero sense for people to not pay equally for the services government provides.

Gov services are the only product we all pay different amounts to receive. To price anything else that way, would be illegal.
 
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Browsing www.investopedia.com for "definition of capital"

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Comparing source definitions


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  • In economics, "capital" often refers to physical capital, while "financial capital" is a separate term, but common usage blends both.
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  • Merriam-Webster lists economic definitions first, like accumulated goods for wealth, supporting the economic focus (Merriam-Webster).
  • General dictionaries place economic definitions of capital first, like accumulated goods for production. This reinforces prioritizing the economic meaning.

Searching for "definition of capital in economics"


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Capital (economics) - Wikipedia
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Capital: Definition, How It's Used, Structure, and Types in Business
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Definition of CAPITAL
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Capital Characteristics & Examples | What is Capital in Economics? | Study.com
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  • Wikipedia defines capital as durable produced goods used in further production (Wikipedia).
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Browsing study.com for "definition of capital in economics"

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Finalizing the answer

  • Investopedia supports the economic definition, noting capital as anything giving value, like factories or financial assets (Investopedia).
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