Drumbeats for the cashless society

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https://pix11.com/2018/11/29/lawmakers-consider-ban-on-cashless-businesses-in-nyc/
 
And now a view from around the globe:


More: https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/othe...est-for-a-cashless-society-growing/ar-BBQhE6r

Terrible propaganda piece telling dumb citizens not to keep a stash of cash at home:
https://news.yahoo.com/10-brits-still-hide-cash-mattress-heres-thats-not-good-idea-105542169.html

Bold part is some refreshing honesty from a politician:
https://www.msn.com/en-my/news/national/dr-m-no-cash-no-corruption/ar-BBQkrlY?li=BBr8Hnu


https://www.marketwatch.com/press-r...st-to-2023---researchandmarketscom-2018-12-04


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...eating-notes-coins-country-goes-CASHLESS.html
 
because how can you not like a post that involves someone in Africa called -


Sthembiso Sithole :rotflmbo:
 
I posted previously about the effort in NYC to force businesses to accept cash. Looks like New Jersey is pursuing a similar action:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/13/nyc...usinesses-alleging-bias-against-the-poor.html
 
I'm cross posting this from the Zimbabwe thread:
https://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL8N1ZC056

Looks like the people in Zimbabwe don't trust the banking system.
 
businesses and civil servants are demanding payment in cash which can be deposited and used to make payments both inside and outside the country.
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There is no outside .......
 
The more I read that sentence, the more cryptic it seems. Does Zimbabwe have some sort of capital controls imposed? Are the local banks restricting international transactions? Are the locals wanting to carry cash across the border to deposit in foreign banks? The more I read it, the more questions I ponder.
 
So you might recall from 2.5 years ago, post #34 talking about an exchange rate between cash and bank accounts. Looks like the IMF is now promoting the idea:
https://blogs.imf.org/2019/02/05/cashing-in-how-to-make-negative-interest-rates-work/
 
Americans would be difficult to convince. I am personally a devout "hard money" guy. The idea of all my transactions being electronic is abhorrent to me on many levels, not the least of which is the government being able to know my whereabouts at any given time, and what I purchased, when and where. It's simply none of their fucking business I say. Cash is and will always be king in my book.
 
If the Fed pushes a scheme like the above to effect negative interest rates, what are the chances that folks wake up to what real money is.
 
The odds approach 100% If the fed ever dared to start skimming deposits like that, people would simple empty their accounts and buy up hard assets. The economy would roll over and everything would come to a screeching halt. Most likely, those in charge would be found suicided somewhere as a lesson to others. This ain't Venezuela yet my brothers, and there are just too many weapons in far too many freedom loving patriot hands to allow that sort of shenanigans to go on. It really is a step too far.
 
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This won't help the plastic fans.

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https://6abc.com/politics/bill-looks-to-require-philly-businesses-to-accept-cash/5121309/

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"PHILADELPHIA (WPVI) --
A Philadelphia City Councilman is proposing a ban on stores that do not accept cash due to the impact it has on lower income residents.

"I am not saying its intentional discriminatory, but I think it is certainly discriminatory because the overwhelming number of people who do not have credit are low income, minority immigrants," Councilman Bill Greenlee, the bill's sponsor, said.

Greenlee and other councilmembers are concerned the number of brick and mortar retailers in the city embracing a cashless model could grow beyond the current small number.

As that happens, they argue, people who are "unbanked" or don't have access to a debit card or a phone pay app would be at a serious disadvantage.

Greenlee added that some people would simply rather use cash because of the security concerns that come with using a card.

This bill is nothing new. Massachusetts enacted a pro-cash law decades ago and others have followed.

"Washington, D.C. has already put in such legislation, New York was contemplating it, Jersey is doing it. It seems to make sense that a regular place where any of us can go in should take the monetary unit of the United States," Greenlee said.

A committee hearing was held Tuesday. The committee will decide whether the measure moves forward to the full council.

Most seemed to indicate they were backing the bill. However, there was some criticism.

One point of criticism said it may be stifling innovation.

Another point was made that the City of Philadelphia does not accept cash in many of its transactions with citizens.

A recent survey by the FDIC found that about 7 percent of people don't have bank accounts and can't obtain a debit card."



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One big weakness in this law, they don't mention in this story, but I read a couple days ago on another site, is that certain types of stores are exempt, like membership places like Sam's Club, Costco, etc. So if I'm a guy running a store that only takes plastic (or paying with your phone) I make it a members only store, but the membership is cheap, say $1/month or a full year for $10. Pretty easy sidestep there IMO.

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Just for posterity:
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Currency/Pages/legal-tender.aspx

So it looks like these State laws being enacted everywhere are important, but they are going to force a showdown over this "unencumbered interest rate policy" bs if they can find a way to get around the legal obligations/contract banks have with customers.
 


https://news.goldcore.com/us/gold-blog/invest-in-gold-as-a-hedge-in-cashless-society-ex-imf-rogoff/
 
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Just had to read the first paragraph to know I don't like him.
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"NPR's Mary Louise Kelly speaks with economist Kenneth Rogoff about what would happen if the U.S. were to get rid of a lot of its paper currency, particularly larger bills, as he advocates."
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I've been saying just the opposite. They quit making the higher denom's after WWII, you know when a car might cost $1,000 & a house a few thousand. Counting out a small stack of 100's isn't that big of a deal, for smaller purchases, but who really wants to count $100 bills into 5 & especially 6 figure's (or more) let alone carry it around? A few years back I bought a Jeep (used) for $6,800 in cash. Funny thing is, I coudn't get them to drop under $7,700, for nothing, but when I told him I had the cash in my pocket, he had to "go talk with his manager". He came back & said he could go as low as $7,400, I told him no & he said that the Jeep was worth all of that & more, I said "maybe", as I walked away but added "I've only got $6,800 on me." (we get to lie too! :rotflmbo He said "DEAL!" before I could even turn to look at him. I really don't think if he'd thought I was getting it financed or writing a check that he would've went any lower, but as they say money (actual green $) talks. I know I've had occasions where I've done similar, but usually with much smaller amounts. I also know that I've had it done to me when I sell stuff through a local online ad site & I figure I won't take less than say $125, but the guy only has $120 "on him". The $5 difference vs potentially getting $5 more IF the guy comes back just isn't worth bothering most of the time at least. Funny thing about that Jeep, I actually had about $8,000 in my pocket, but I wanted to pay tax & license right there too, but since I told him I only had $6,800 on me, I went in to the bathroom put $6,800 in one pocket the rest in another. I then told him I'd have to run home to get the cash for the tax & license. While I might've otherwise just drove a couple blocks away, I had to drive home anyway to pick up the wife to bring one of the vehicles back, so the round tripper wasn't really an extra trip anyway.

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That NPR article really drove home the point for me that, while Rogof has bonafides for the field, with respect to the cashless society issue, he's a propagandist.
 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/philadelphia-is-first-u-s-city-to-ban-cashless-stores-11551967201

h/t: http://gata.org/node/18928
 
Looks like I missed this one from a week ago (roughly) and there is a lot to unpack in it:

More: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019...boss-outlines-central-bank-digital-currencies
 
Cashless does nothing but disenfranchise the poor and unbanked. It is Orwellian in the extreme and will never be fully acceptable.
 

https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/05/...l-purchases-over-10000-starting-july-of-2019/
 

More: https://www.abcbullion.com.au/investor-centre/pdf/china-buys-gold-as-trade-wars-escalate
 
Great ideas

Could convince a lot more folk to find alternative means of exchange (-:
 

https://treasury.gov.au/consultation/c2019-t395788
 
Watching through the video posted in the NIRP thread ( https://www.pmbug.com/forum/f13/negative-interest-rates-nirp-3188/index2.html#post34179 ), they referenced an empirical study of cash restrictions. I looked it up and found it:

... The conclusion of this paper is that cash has a minor influence on the shadow economy, crime and terrorism, but potentially a major influence on civil liberties. ...

https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/162914/1/Schneider.pdf

The author, Friedrich Schneider has participated in many studies and research papers published for the IMF and such. The St. Louis Fed has a convenient index to his work here:

https://ideas.repec.org/e/psc166.html
 
The Wall Street Journal is now beating the drum:
h/t: http://gata.org/node/19472
 

https://www.statista.com/chart/19868/share-of-cash-payments-in-different-countries/
 
Here's a twist on the cashless society issue... Cash is disappearing presumably because people value it too much.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-wo...vSource=cx_picks&cx_tag=collabctx&cx_artPos=2
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...nt-system-operational-after-suffering-a-delay

Digital systems can fail.

h/t: https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/n...utage-hits-due-federal-reserve-network-issues
 
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French central banker says digital currency cannot be private

https://www.oann.com/french-central-banker-says-digital-currency-cannot-be-private/

"PARIS (Reuters) – Digital currency could be useful as cash transactions dwindle in some countries but central banks should be in charge of issuing it, not private companies, Bank of France Governor Francois Villeroy de Galhau said on Saturday.

Spurred by the rise of cryptocurrencies and Facebook’s plans to launch its Libra currency, central banks worldwide are looking into the possibility of issuing digital money to prevent the loss of state control over money.

Villeroy said the proposals were not a reaction to Facebook’s plan, responding instead to fast-evolving technology and some banks’ need for digital currency. He added that private citizens could also start wanting an alternative to cash.

“In some northern European countries, notably Sweden and the Netherlands, the use of bank notes is falling extremely quickly and they are wondering whether we need to give citizens the right to digital money that is no longer a physical bank note but
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https://cointelegraph.com/news/worl...s-framework-for-central-bank-digital-currency

This is the framework paper if anyone cares for the details: http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_CBDC_Policymaker_Toolkit.pdf
 

More: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...ith-a-digital-yuan/ar-BBZgb6L?ocid=spartandhp
 
'DAVOS, Switzerland — A growing number of voices are calling for the U.S. to issue a "digital dollar" '

would that be the local folk who live in Davos, the workforce who keep them comfortable, or those opinionated 'leaders' of the free world who occasionally visit ?
 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...ank-digital-coins-brainard-says-idUSKBN1ZZ2XF
 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/nyregion/nyc-cashless-ban.html
 

More: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/...LOVER-greedy-banks-allowed-make-cashless.html


https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrew...opening-of-first-cashless-store/#4e86ab4620c4
 
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