Intraday gold price manipulation (10 am ET)

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Election is just a few days away. Remain calm. All is well.
If the comrad great leader gets elected for a second term, it's gonna be rally time for pms as he would replace Ben with Yellen in 2014.
If the mor(m)on replaces him, we could see additional selling pressure, because Wall Street thinks he would be a deficit hawk.
 
...good job, oh, Big, Shadowy PMs Whackers!! Every month of suppressed PM prices equals to more OZ that I can afford with my paper money.

The tighter they screw the spring, the higher it will bounce back. Who knows, maybe I'll be able to retire earlier :)
 
...good job, oh, Big, Shadowy PMs Whackers!! Every month of suppressed PM prices equals to more OZ that I can afford with my paper money.

The tighter they screw the spring, the higher it will bounce back. Who knows, maybe I'll be able to retire earlier :)

I am glad I am not the only one that is :drool: right now! Lucky for me, I have been too busy recently to get to the LCS for a long while and have a nice stack of fiat that is itching to take advantage of these price drops!
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http://www.silverdoctors.com/192-mi...umped-on-market-in-10-minutes-on-nfp-release/
"191.99 million ounces of paper silver (nearly a quarter of annual global silver production!) were dumped on the market in only 10 minutes"
 
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While it doesn't get the exact bottom or top, I'm sticking with my 50 sma/stop system. If you follow the rules, it works quite well. It's saying "wait a little longer". You might miss an exact bottom, but you don't get head-faked and whipsawed either. It makes real good money every year.
 
Player A & player B each have a million dollars.

If Player A bought gold at New York opening and sold at New York close everyday since Jan 2001 while player B bought gold at New York closing and sold at New York opening everyday.

Despite gold quintupling in price since then, Player A's 1 million investment would only be worth $300 000 in Jan 2012 while player B's 1 million investment would be worth $18 000 000.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/overn...s-just-over-year-generates-43-annualized-retu

Whatever the motives, this fact alone is hard to dispute proof that the market is being manipulated and that it is being manipulated to the downside.

Thanks to the forum and to SwissAustrian for bringing this to my attention.

I am very grateful to you and to 'them' for doing this because it means I am still able to get my hands on physical gold for a fraction of whatever its true market value is. :gold::gold::gold::banana:
 
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For the third day in a row, gold and silver are being monkey-hammered at the open of the US equity market day session

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Nothing to see here. Just some rich dude selling 3x annual world production in 5 seconds (or something like that). Happens all the time. Perfectly normal. Move along.
 
There is no technical deterioration on my P & F charts at this time from the latest knockdown of Au & Ag at this time. Not a major concern for me presently.
 
Now they've achieved their goal, panic liquidation in pms. I guess all the leveraged longs will be flushed out this week.

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well.. last hour we saw 50k contracts trade inside an hour causing gold to drop $23.

During holiday trading, this is unheard of.

Mind you.. this is more contracts than traded during any of the other spikes we've had over the last 2 months (on an hourly basis).

On the Feb contract.. we've traded over 1/2 the open interest today. Unreal.
 
I really wish I were in a position to take advantage of this dip. Some sap is doing yeoman's work in driving the price down for me and I just know it won't last until I'm able to take home a load.
 
I really wish I were in a position to take advantage of this dip. Some sap is doing yeoman's work in driving the price down for me and I just know it won't last until I'm able to take home a load.
If you're confident that this is (close to) the bottom, you could purchase call options and sell them once you intend to purchase physical. You'll only need a fraction of the money for the options purchase compared to what you'd need to buy physical.
 
Well well now, imagine that! Another beat down, who would have thought that could happen?

That's OK, I may just roll down to teh Credit union, draw down my credit line and pile it all in a closet until these shenanigans cool down. Then, I'll sell enough to cover the note and keep the delta.

Fuck 'em and feed 'em fish heads I say. Two can play at this game.
 
Jim Sinclair explains the anatomy of a wash trade:

The pattern of what’s taking place in this down market is absolutely clear: At periods every day like clockwork, when the lowest volume of trading historically takes place, the largest amount of offerings have come into the marketplace (for gold), creating a drubbing, a down (move).

Every time there is a major move in a market there will be hangers on, and they are the ones that tend to lose on both sides.

When markets are running up like Apple, most of it (the move) is highly professional. But then you get the chat group people, day traders, the less professional, and those are the hangers on who try to make the market look the same way. Because once a pattern changes, the direction of a market changes, and in the least you get neutral (in terms of the price movement).

Over the last two weeks, the pattern that had existed, set in stone, carved into granite, of how the gold market would act at the exact same times, on the exact same days, has (now) modified and changed. So there is a strong possibility that either a level has been reached, or the major people (entities) who wanted to effect, for a reason, to a price, have completed their intentions (their price or objective has now been achieved).

It’s the pattern of selling or price manipulation
[Wash trades]. And I’ve done this. (Back in 1980) Hunt’s major buyer came out in silver, and I didn’t believe the market. And I wanted to test the market to see if this really was an infinite buyer. It was about 3 minutes before the close, out came his agent onto the floor bidding like made for silver.

So I told my partner on the floor, ‘Offer him 5,000 (contracts for sale).’ Now back in those days 5,000 contracts was a lot. The offering I made, I made at a time of illiquidity to see if the demand which was so popular in the mainstream media at that time in the markets was real.



Well, I didn’t get a wrong answer because the market locked limit down and it wouldn’t stop trading until about 5 minutes after the close. I was called in by the board of directors of the exchange for having manipulated a market, in which case I told them just what I did. And it was unfortunate I didn’t look at my watch. I thought it was about 5 or 10 minutes to go (in live trading), and it was about 3 minutes to go.

Well, that’s exactly what’s happening now. I’ve done it myself (manipulated markets) so I know it well
. People are coming into the marketplaces internationally, and into the US sessions, at historic periods of low volume. And in the morning people want to see what happens.

But 7:30 to 8:30 AM (EST) the market (manipulators) are offering huge amounts of gold for sale when they know there is no bid, to create, not selling because if you want to sell you do it strategically, carefully, well reasoned, to get volume off without affecting price. But if you want to take a market for a ride (manipulate it), you do the absolute opposite. You offer huge amounts, hoping you don’t sell too much, at a time when you know you won’t sell too much.

But at a time where the little guys will start jumping on each other because here comes the moose. And the moose is always a big moose and it tramples on your forehead, and therefore they (the little guys) run. It becomes ‘beggar thy neighbor.’ You turn around and if the guy behind you has a bid, you sell yours to him before the moose (does).

That ends up making the price (during those illiquid trading hours). That is the nature of this takedown (we have seen). The nature of this takedown is not what would be common to a top (meaning it has been artificially induced). It is not any reflection of what the top in the market looked like in the early 1980 period. Also, it’s all electronic. Hard to feel, hard to touch, and therefore much more scary.”

I think whoever structured this decline, and it really was structured, clearly anybody who knows markets and has eyes in their head has to figure out this wasn’t the gold gang, and gold positive large entities dumping their investment positions. This was an operation and it was totally classic.”

http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldn...We_Are_Witnessing_A_Historic_Low_In_Gold.html
 
Clear and obvious intervention as Draghi started speaking. And it failed, they didn't succeed in trying to sell gold down below the support at 1580:
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That's the kind of sign that you wanna see, aggressive dip buying.
 
...and the goddamn :gold: thing just refuses to freefall... :snidely: dammit! :clap:

...It is like watching a good soccer match (you 'murkans don't know how it is... You are sitting all on high emotions, the match swings from one side to another, there is drama, there are epic attempts.... And the final score says 0:0! But the spectacle, man, it was epic :rotflmbo:)

All that tells me, that there is enormous tension building up. Of course all these failed attempts, come at a cost, someone, somewhere, bends over and prepares bigger & bigger jar of vaseline, IF their attempts are ultimately to fail. I wonder what they'll try next - one thing I am sure, they'll not give up the fight THAT easy. There will be something truly epic and unimaginable (as for the expected direction of the move, and total disregard to any rules and regulations) in the cards, before it is all over and sick bastards give up, that one thing I am sure of. I am mighty tempted, to try & wait them over, and buy that ultimate dip - if not for the fact, that such timing is UTTERLY impossible, and secondly, I don't think there's a big chance to lay my hands on ANY metal, during that mother of all whams, that I expect to see, before final capitulation.
 
Can you believe it:

Gold COMEX closes (1:30pm ET) in March 2013

1st 1574

4th 1574

5th 1574.9

6th 1574.9

7th 1575.9

8th 1574.9 ????

Charts (Note "NY close" means close of the GLOBEX afterhours session, not the COMEX session):

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Sorry sa, but I'm not grokking your point. The "NY close" reported in the legend of the kitco charts don't match the numbers (any of the numbers) you posted in the thread. Where did your numbers come from?
 
Sorry sa, but I'm not grokking your point. The "NY close" reported in the legend of the kitco charts don't match the numbers (any of the numbers) you posted in the thread. Where did your numbers come from?

"NY close" means close of the GLOBEX afterhours session at 5:15 pm ET, not the COMEX session at 1:30 pm ET
Look at the greyly shaded areas in the charts.
 
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OK. I misread post 103 the first time.

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I can smell manipulation, but I don't know why 1575 is so important to somebody that he is willing to manipulate prices to this level every day. The only explanation I can come up with is that somebody has a derivative arrangement outstanding that is making him money if the COMEX closing price is very close to 1575. It could be an options underwriter for short term (intraday) options who is selling options with a strike at 1575.
 
THIS IS CRIMEX OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:
SA, we are of opinion, that this is just an amazing coincidence, and it seems to us that you have your tinfoil hat on a little bit too long, a little bit too tight! ..what manipulation?

:rotflmbo:

It is getting crazier by a week.. SA, you are able to pick these examples at will, and it seems there's barely a day passing now, without some sort of such "highly suspicious" (read: obviously fraudulent) activity. Respect!
 
It's looking like a crime scene with multiple pieces of evidence everywhere right now. :cheers:
More than enough to get regulators to pay attention... But they're probably busy watching porn :flushed:
 
I like buying a little here and there at this level - just did, money where mouth is.
If we broke hard below 1550, I'd be a little nervous, but we seem to be bouncing off more like 1575 (eg, very near the last bottoming on the yearly charts).

Looks to me (haven't been truly studying all this) that the usual AM takedown is not working as well lately as it has in the last month or few. I think I'm going to agree with SA's call that we are at or near a bottom. I doubt I'll be sorry I added to the stack here.
 
Closing at 1577.7 today. Maybe the Italian downgrade finally put an end to the madness...

Thank god at least silver closed below 29 :snidely:
 
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Don't hold your breath on anything happening. It's still interesting, though, that this is beeing reported by the WSJ without a formal investigation. It's probably a public warning to those who are involved in manipulations that they should calm down.

The Commodity Futures Trading Commission is discussing internally whether the daily setting of gold and silver prices in London is open to manipulation, according to people familiar with the situation.

No formal investigation has been opened, the people said. The CFTC is examining various aspects of the so-called price fixings, including whether they are sufficiently transparent, they said.

Gold prices are set twice daily by five banks via teleconference, while three banks set silver prices. The fixings are then used to determine spot prices world-wide, including jewelry and sales from mining companies to refineries. The prices also help determine the value of derivatives tied to the metals.

The London gold market fix dates from 1919, and now sees twice-daily conference calls involving units of five banks: Barclays, Deutsche Bank AG, HSBC Holdings PLC, Bank of Nova Scotia and Société Générale.

Spokespeople for Barclays, HSBC and Deutsche had no immediate comment. Representatives from the other two banks couldn't immediately be reached.

The silver fix, dating from 1897, involves Scotia, Deutsche and HSBC.

"[The fixings are] not arbitrary, it's very much done on a demand supply basis until a price is arrived at. It's fully transparent, it's nothing like Libor," said a spokesman for the London Bullion Market Association, the trade organization that sets the standards for the quality of gold and silver traded in the London market, but do not run the fixings.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324077704578358381575462340.html

For illustrative purposes, gold intraday 10 year average. The London pm fix takes place at 10 am ET

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CFTC appears to be toothless. Not sure anyone really cares what they do.
 
Yeah, that's not worth a damn thing unfortunately.
 
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