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"If" is the operative word... also everyone seems to think this is the Perry Mason TV hour where crimes are solved in less than 1 hour....If the DOJ has evidence to bring charges............why haven't they charged anyone yet?
I'm starting to think it's time to shit or get off the pot.
There are allegedly over 40,000 hours of J6 footage that have not yet been made public. Tucker Carlson “destroyed the insurrection narrative” on Monday’s show with video excerpts from the event. Carlson commented, “Taken as a whole, the video record does not support the claim that January 6 was an insurrection. In fact, it demolishes that claim. You would never have known from the media coverage.” President Trump praised McCarthy and Tucker Carlson for the release of the footage.Outrageous spin from media claiming videos Tucker showed are “public” or at least accessible to defendants. The idea any defendant or defense atty can easily access the security footage is simply not true (as they’ll tell you) and suggestion all clips can be made public is a lie.
— Julie Kelly(@julie_kelly2) March 7, 2023
On Tuesday, Davis commented on the DOJ handling Chansley’s case on Bannon’s War Room. Davis statesI was told the QAnon shaman was leading an insurrection not the one who is being led by police throughout the capital building. No wonder all the footage was kept from us for 2 years.
As always they lied to us all! pic.twitter.com/nzWWIgryiz
— Donald Trump Jr. (@DonaldJTrumpJr) March 7, 2023
Let this sink in:
Today's Democrats are defending prosecutors' failure to turn over evidence of a defendant's innocence.
A prosecutorial failure that is a clear and very serious constitutional violation.
This is no longer our parents' and grandparents' Democrat Party.
These… https://t.co/WuFvHqymo7
If there's even a shred of actual Justice left in this nation, he will be.Jacob Chansley.....is currently serving 41 months in prison “for criminal conduct” that amounted to his wandering around with a Viking hat, a megaphone, and an American flag. His lawyer thinks he may be released soon.
She was hawking her books in 2008 at the march we had for Ron Paul in Washington DC. She has been exposed to us libertarians for a long time. She should’ve known better.BOOM!
first one out of the box!
Dear Conservatives, I Apologize
My "Team" was Taken in By Full-Spectrum Propaganda
Dr Naomi Wolf
There is no way to avoid this moment. The formal letter of apology. From me. To Conservatives and to those who “put America first” everywhere.
It’s tempting to sweep this confrontation with my own gullibility under the rug — to “move on” without ever acknowledging that I was duped, and that as a result I made mistakes in judgement, and that these mistakes, multiplied by the tens of thousands and millions on the part of people just like me, hurt millions of other people like you all, in existential ways.
But that erasure of personal and public history would be wrong.
I owe you a full-throated apology.
I believed a farrago of lies. And, as a result of these lies, and my credulity — and the credulity of people similarly situated to me - many conservatives’ reputations are being tarnished, on false bases.
The proximate cause of this letter of apology is the airing, two nights ago, of excepts from tens of thousands of hours of security camera footage from the United States Capitol taken on Jan 6, 2021. The footage was released by House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) to Fox News commentator Tucker Carlson [https://www.axios.com/2023/03/08/mccarthy-defends-jan-6-footage-tucker-carlson-fox-news].
While “fact-checkers” state that it is “misinformation” to claim that Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi was in charge of Capitol Police on that day [https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...osi-isnt-in-charge-capitol-police/8082088002/], the fact is that the USCP is under the oversight of Congress, according to — the United States Capitol Police: [https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight].
This would be the same Congress that convened the January 6 Committee subsequently, and that used millions of dollars in taxpayer money to turn that horrible day, and that tragic event, into a message point that would be used to tar a former President as a would-be terrorist, and to smear all Republicans, by association, as “insurrectionists,” or as insurrectionists’ sympathizers and fellow-travelers.
There is no way to unsee Officer Brian Sicknick, claimed by some Democrats in leadership and by most of the legacy media to have been killed by rioters at the Capitol that day, alive in at least one section of the newly released video. The USCP medical examiner states that this Officer died of “natural causes,” but also that he died “in the line of duty.” Whatever the truth of this confusing conclusion, and with all respect for and condolences to Officer Sicknick’s family, the circumstances of his death do matter to the public, as without his death having been caused by the events of Jan 6, the breach of the capitol, serious though it was, cannot be described as a “deadly insurrection.” [https://www.uscp.gov/media-center/p...cp-officer-brian-sicknick-died-natural-causes] Sadly, though the contrary was what was reported, Officer Sicknick died two days after Jan 6, from suffering two strokes. https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol...suffering-two-strokes-day-after-jan-6-report/
There is no way for anyone thoughtful, even if he or she is a lifelong Democrat, not to notice that Sen Chuck Schumer did not say to the world that the footage that Mr Carlson aired was not real. Rather, he warned that it was “shameful” for Fox to allow us to see it. The Guardian characterized Mr Carlson’s and Fox News’ sin, weirdly, as “Over-Use” of Jan 6 footage. Isn’t the press supposed to want full transparency for all public interest events? [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...dicare-taxes-desantis-trump-2024-live-updates] How can you “over-use” real footage of events of national relevance?
lots more:
Dear Conservatives, I Apologize
My "Team" was Taken in By Full-Spectrum Propagandanaomiwolf.substack.com
She wasn't wrong though....She was hawking her books in 2008 at the march we had for Ron Paul in Washington DC. She has been exposed to us libertarians for a long time. She should’ve known better.
So why would you want it to happen to other Americans?Experienced it personally many moons ago.
Withholding evidence, outright lies, phony witnesses. The whole shebang.
Thank god for juries who can see through bullshit.
Doesn't the video we can all now see, constitute proof that things were not as they've been portrayed?One thing...........fuck words. Always go for proof. No proof............no conviction.
I agree.Also believe in reparations for anyone falsely accused by the cops or prosecutors. You shouldn't have to spend your own money to prove you are innocent.
So why trust the ones prosecuting and judging the Jan 6th defendants? They're Americans with the same Rights as you. If they can have evidence withheld and held for extended period without trial, so can you. Are you ok with that happening to you? If not, extend that same attitude to them, too.Don't trust cops, prosecutors or judges. Our system of justice has been broken for a long time.
Yep, they ignored those that actually instigated the whole things and did not charge them. They got Ray Epps on video encouraging people to go inside.no charges against the instigators
About f'ing time. For two years you hung on Liz's every word on this, as though it was gospel. I sincerely hope you are starting to see the railroading for what it was.I am starting to think something stinks.
Could it be because the ones they failed to charge were agent provocateurs? That'd be my guess. Otherwise, why ignore people who actually did violence that day, and instead go after those seen as political opponents with a vengeance?If the DOJ has evidence to bring charges............why haven't they charged anyone yet?
It's waaay past that timeI'm starting to think it's time to shit or get off the pot.
Any thinking person should have known better.She should’ve known better.
So why would you want it to happen to other Americans?
Doesn't the video we can all now see, constitute proof that things were not as they've been portrayed?
I agree.
So why trust the ones prosecuting and judging the Jan 6th defendants? They're Americans with the same Rights as you. If they can have evidence withheld and held for extended period without trial, so can you. Are you ok with that happening to you? If not, extend that same attitude to them, too.
Yep, they ignored those that actually instigated the whole things and did not charge them. They got Ray Epps on video encouraging people to go inside.
They charged people with "violent entry" for having merely walked through a door, yet fail to do anything to the guy actively telling people to do so?
How is what he did, not considered incitement?
Edited to add: if he convinced people to commit what we are told is violent acts, why is what he did not considered to be inciting violence? Sure seems like it should be.
About f'ing time. For two years you hung on Liz's every word on this, as though it was gospel. I sincerely hope you are starting to see the railroading for what it was.
No matter how we feel politically, imho it is imperative that we stand up for each others Rights. Even if we personally believe someone guity, we should want them to have their Rights protected and to truly receive a fair trial, for as you found out, it could be any of us next time.
....and the gov is made up of people who sometimes make honest mistakes, or even sometimes do the wrong thing. All citizens need protection from that.
Could it be because the ones they failed to charge were agent provocateurs? That'd be my guess. Otherwise, why ignore people who actually did violence that day, and instead go after those seen as political opponents with a vengeance?
It's waaay past that time
Because it is quick and easy to highlight text and add to quote as I scroll through a thread.Started laughing when I read this. You've been going strong (multi-quoting) like this a long time. Gotta give you credit. You're not a quitter.
and it is your thread, no?
So why would you want it to happen to other Americans?
Doesn't the video we can all now see, constitute proof that things were not as they've been portrayed?
So why trust the ones prosecuting and judging the Jan 6th defendants? They're Americans with the same Rights as you. If they can have evidence withheld and held for extended period without trial, so can you. Are you ok with that happening to you? If not, extend that same attitude to them, too.
Yep, they ignored those that actually instigated the whole things and did not charge them.
For two years you hung on Liz's every word on this
Even if we personally believe someone guity, we should want them to have their Rights protected and to truly receive a fair trial, for as you found out, it could be any of us next time.
Could it be because the ones they failed to charge were agent provocateurs? That'd be my guess. Otherwise, why ignore people who actually did violence that day, and instead go after those seen as political opponents with a vengeance?
It's waaay past that time
Screaming constitutes a crime worthy of 41 Months in prison?It does and it doesn't. I watched him screaming like a psycho on different video segments.
You mean like they've done with people like Chansley?I also know how cops, prosecutors, defense lawyers can portray things to get them to look favorable to different audiences. They are kind of like actors on a stage playing to the public or to a jury to garner sympathy for their cause and the truth be dammed. It's winning that counts
Like what? They said that Chansley was the worst one there, but now video evidence shows otherwise.Not trusting anyone. Most (if not all) of the people charged were literally caught on tape doing something crazy.
A lot have admitted doing shit.
No, a lot copped pleas due to being in what looked like a hopeless situation.They have kinda helped the prosecutors hang them so-to-speak
Glad it worked out for ya.In my case, when I heard I was going to be charged I split the scene, got a lawyer, gathered evidence to prove I was innocent, turned myself in with my lawyer by my side, was ROR, went to trial, found not guilty in less than one hour and walked out of the court laughing. I had proof that was indisputable. Had the cops involved simply checked they would have known that.
What are some reasons you might think they would not charge people that the gov knew were actually being violent?This is the one thing I really don't get. Why?
....based on incomplete and misleading information, obviously.Nah. Watched the Jan 6 show and formulated my own opinions
Of course not. They were on a witch hunt for President Trump due to him having beat their tired old hag.They really didn't dwell on the actual rioters.
It's looking as though the initiators/instigators was the gov itself.They were focused on the who initiated it and how they went about it.
Glad to hear that.Absolutely agree 100% with this
Yea right, he's gonna go on tv and explain how he had his thumb on the scales of Justice? Fat chance of that.Can't answer this. Merrick Garland needs to go on to tv and explain everything that's been going on to the American people
Again, glad to hear that.Agree 100%.
This is the stuff of a Greek Tragedy.Nah. Watched the Jan 6 show and formulated my own opinions. They really didn't dwell on the actual rioters. They were focused on the who initiated it and how they went about it.
Screaming constitutes a crime worthy of 41 Months in prison?
....and are you talking about the vid of him that was in post #249?
You mean like they've done with people like Chansley?
Like what? They said that Chansley was the worst one there, but now video evidence shows otherwise.
No, a lot copped pleas due to being in what looked like a hopeless situation.
If the choice is to sign a paper admitting to something so you only get so many Months in jail, or to be run through a kangaroo court where you'll get railroaded (withholding exculpatory evidence constitutes railroading) into many years in prison, what would you do?
Glad it worked out for ya.
What are some reasons you might think they would not charge people that the gov knew were actually being violent?
....based on incomplete and misleading information, obviously.
Of course not. They were on a witch hunt for President Trump due to him having beat their tired old hag.
Of course not. They were on a witch hunt for President Trump due to him having beat their tired old hag.
It's looking as though the initiators/instigators was the gov itself.
Glad to hear that.
Yea right, he's gonna go on tv and explain how he had his thumb on the scales of Justice? Fat chance of that.
Again, glad to hear that.
Your own video shows Chansley not being violent. It shows him walk through it while at the same time shows unidentified people breaking windows. Yet we were told that Chansley was violent? Your video proves that was not so.I don't think Chansley was the worst one there, but he pissed of a judge big time.
No, the entrenched powers in gov that were there before Trump got there, are the ones who would be served by setting this up in order to make Trump and his supporters look bad.It was. Trump was the prez. His peeps worked for him (the gov.)
You may laugh, but had Trump not beaten their hag, he would not have been gone after by them.You made me laugh. Thanks.
We should be. Those are the people being prosecuted/persecuted.I'm not talking about the rioters. Not at all
So what? For at least four years we were bombarded with false claims that Trump stole the election in '16.-Trump = the election was stolen
You may laugh, but had Trump not beaten their hag, he would not have been gone after by them.
We should be. Those are the people being prosecuted/persecuted.
So what? For at least four years we were bombarded with false claims that Trump stole the election in '16.
they are nothing but a bunch of worthless hypocrites.
But wait... THERE'S MORE!
Yet still wrote a book about how she was cheated.The "hag" freely admitted she lost, congratulated Trump and moved on with her life.
We've already seen that that ain't true as far as Chansley goes.My god.............they are being charged for what they actually did.
Who do you think is letting them slip slide away?But the maniacs that egged them on have skated so far. WTF?????? I'm starting to wonder if they'll simply slipe slid away.
What are Garland and Smith doing?
Yet you don't remember being gas lit about how Trump colluded with Putin in order to hack the election? We had a $35 million three year investigation over it. You seem to have a short memory when it comes to that.Cmon. No one thinks Trump stole 2016. He won. Even I believe that.
Joe King:Don't trust cops, prosecutors or judges. Our system of justice has been broken for a long time.
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