Silver Demand Drivers (and vault totals)

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Texas saw that $350 Million solar field destroyed by hail. That was approx, lets say 130 to 150 mg / cell. Of course they don't define what each cell is but we'll have to assume. They do say that current cell output is ~4.7 Watts. So we can use that number.

Amount of silver needed in solar cells to be more than halved by 2028, Silver Institute says

The US-based industry association finds the amount of silver loading may fall from 130 mg per cell in 2016 to approximately 65 mg by 2028. Alternative and cheaper raw materials, such as copper and aluminum, are not expected to replace silver in commercial cell production, at least in the next...
www.pv-magazine.com

Green Energy Beaten Black And Blue: Video Shows Massive Hail Damage To Texas Solar Farm | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
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So 350 MW / 4.7 Watts = about 74.5 million cells x 140 mg/cell = 10,425 grams of silver. So that hail storm destroyed panels with approx 325,000 ounces of silver. About 10 tons of silver. Ok then. I'd take it.
 
the question is was the silver effectively destroyed? .....of will it be recovered and fed back into the system
 
Solar panels are not recycled. It's not economical at $25 silver. Not sure where it might but they haven't even developed the process or science as far as I can tell.

Noticed a math problem above. It says 10,425 grams and the math was right but that should be label 10,425 kg of silver.
 
pmbug said:
I went back and revisited Ronan Manley's report (cited in post #9) to compare his numbers against the latest data.
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Update:
  • LBMA - As at end March 2024, ... There were also 25,612 tonnes of silver ... SLV report for 11 April claims 334.8 mtoz vaulted in London. That leaves a total of 488.6 mtoz of silver in the London vaults not owned by ETFs. This compares to 595.87 mtoz reported at the end of January.
  • COMEX - As of April 10, 291 mtoz registered + eligible - 103.1 mtoz owned by SLV = 187.9 mtoz not owned by ETFs. This compares to ~173 mtoz reported at the end of January.
  • SFE/SGE - As of April 11 (roughly - SFE is exact, SGE number is from week of April 1-5), 2,530,760 kg or 81.3 mtoz. This compares to 78.5 mtoz reported at the end of January.

The west has roughly 676.5 mtoz vaulted at LBMA + COMEX not owned by SLV. Total global including China is ~757.8 mtoz

The LBMA is down ~1000 tonnes (32.15 mtoz) from end of January. SLV lost about 8.7 mtoz.

The COMEX is up 15 mtoz from end of January. SLV is about the same for the New York vault.

Edit: fixed calculations using troy ounces and not regular ounces
 
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Silver Industrial Demand Rose 11 Percent to Post A New Record in 2023 |

www.silverinstitute.org
 

I have not checked his work, but Bix says the Silver Institute is fudging numbers.
 
I mean Bix couldn't possibly have thought they'd do anything but Lie, cheat, and Steal. It is nice he is showing us how in our face they do it and no one calls them out.


Those are very Spot on lyrics. Thought we might need the actual song though.

 

More:

Bond yields weigh on gold prices, 5G rollout supports silver demand – Heraeus

The Kitco News Team brings you the latest news, videos, analysis and opinions regarding Precious Metals, Crypto, Mining, World Markets and Global Economy.
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The article doesn't really say exactly how much demand that equates to.
 
Update (see post #44 for last month):
  • LBMA - As at end April 2024, ... There were also 25,470 tonnes of silver ... SLV report for 9 May claims 320.8 mtoz vaulted in London. That leaves a total of 498.1 mtoz of silver in the London vaults not owned by ETFs. This compares to 488.6 mtoz reported at the end of March.
  • COMEX - As of May 7, 276.2 mtoz registered + eligible - 103.1 mtoz owned by SLV = 173.1 mtoz not owned by ETFs. This compares to ~187.9 mtoz reported at the end of March.
  • SFE/SGE - As of May 10 (SFE) and April 30 (SGE), 2,252,520 kg or 72.4 mtoz. This compares to 81.3 mtoz reported at the end of March.

The west has roughly 671.2 mtoz vaulted at LBMA + COMEX not owned by SLV. Total global including China is ~743.6 mtoz

The LBMA total vaulted supply is down ~142 tonnes (4.5 mtoz) from end of March. SLV lost about 14 mtoz.

The COMEX is down 14.8 mtoz from end of March. SLV is about the same for the New York vault.
 
Unfortunately if the MIC needs silver they will tell the politicians to make it illegal for the average person to own. For now I hope they get what they need from LBMA.
 
Bix rambles on about solar panel demand for silver for the first 14 minutes:

 
I hear solar panels silver demand going up, but also read new technology in solar panels use less silver…who knows.
 
The thing about solar panel demand is that an economic recession/depression is likely to curtail it. So projections about demand are predicated on a functioning economy. That may or may not be a good bet going forward.
 
Update (see post #52 for last month):
  • LBMA - As at end May 2024, ... There were also 25,883 tonnes of silver (a 1.6% increase on previous month)... SLV report for 7 June claims 317.9 mtoz vaulted in London. That leaves a total of ~514.2 mtoz of silver in the London vaults not owned by ETFs. This compares to 498.1 mtoz reported at the end of April.
  • COMEX - As of June 5, 296.2 mtoz registered + eligible - 103.1 mtoz owned by SLV = 193.1 mtoz not owned by ETFs. This compares to ~173.1 mtoz reported at the end of April.
  • SFE/SGE - As of June 7 (SFE) and May 31 (SGE), 2,315,442 kg or 74.4 mtoz. This compares to 72.4 mtoz reported at the end of April.

The west has roughly 707.3 mtoz vaulted at LBMA + COMEX not owned by SLV. Total global including China is ~779.7 mtoz

The LBMA total vaulted supply is up ~413 tonnes (13.2 mtoz) from end of April. SLV lost just under 1 mtoz.

The COMEX is up 20 mtoz from end of April. SLV is about the same for the New York vault.

Sources:
LBMA: https://www.lbma.org.uk/prices-and-data/london-vault-data
SLV: https://emea-markets.jpmorgan.com/metalicsWebAppJanus/publicUnauthenticated/BONY_SLV.pdf
COMEX: SGE/SFE:
I'm surprised to see that the vault totals for LBMA and COMEX increased in May.
 

Curiously, SGE vault sees strong inflow of metal while SFE vault continues to drain. The price of silver in China has dropped from $35 to $33 since Friday.
 
A report on solar demand:
More (long):

 
pmbug said:
On the subject of military demand...

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The interesting part of that highlight was entirely glossed over. Something that I did not know. It said they had some internal recycling program that was feeding them all of their silver, At <$4 per ounce. This ran OUT in 2021. Now they have to buy on the open markets.
 
Update (see post #59 for last month):
  • LBMA - As at end June 2024, ... There were also 26,136 tonnes of silver (a 1% increase on previous month)... SLV report for 7 June claims 335.46 mtoz vaulted in London. That leaves a total of ~504 .83 mtoz mtoz of silver in the London vaults not owned by ETFs. This compares to 514.2 mtoz reported at the end of May.
  • COMEX - As of July 1, 298.2 mtoz registered + eligible - 103.1 mtoz owned by SLV = 195.1 mtoz not owned by ETFs. This compares to ~193.1 mtoz reported at the end of May.
  • SFE/SGE - As of July 5 (SFE) and June 28 (SGE), 2,488,014 kg or 79.9 mtoz. This compares to 74.4 mtoz reported at the end of May.

The west has roughly 699.9 mtoz vaulted at LBMA + COMEX not owned by SLV. Total global including China is ~779.83 mtoz (only 0.13 mtoz more than at end of last month).

The LBMA total vaulted supply is up ~253 tonnes (8.1 mtoz) from end of May. SLV gained 17.56 mtoz.

The COMEX is up 2 mtoz from end of May. SLV is about the same for the New York vault.

Sources:
LBMA: https://www.lbma.org.uk/prices-and-data/london-vault-data
SLV: https://emea-markets.jpmorgan.com/metalicsWebAppJanus/publicUnauthenticated/BONY_SLV.pdf
COMEX: SGE/SFE:
 
Update (see post #66 for last month):
  • LBMA - As at end July 2024, ... There were also 26,618 tonnes of silver (a 1.8% increase on previous month)... SLV report for 8 August claims 362.56 mtoz vaulted in London. That leaves a total of ~493.22 mtoz of silver in the London vaults not owned by ETFs. This compares to 504 .83 mtoz reported at the end of June.
  • COMEX - As of August 5, 303.8 mtoz registered + eligible - 103.1 mtoz owned by SLV = 205.7 mtoz not owned by ETFs. This compares to ~195.1 mtoz reported at the end of June.
  • SFE/SGE - As of August 8 (SFE) and August 2 (SGE), 2,636,027 kg or 84.75 mtoz. This compares to 79.9 mtoz reported at the end of June.

The west has roughly 698.92 mtoz vaulted at LBMA + COMEX not owned by SLV. Total global including China is ~783.67 mtoz (3.84 mtoz more than at end of last month).

The LBMA total vaulted supply is up ~482 tonnes (~15.5 mtoz) from end of June. SLV gained 27.1 mtoz.

The COMEX is up 20.6 mtoz from end of June. SLV is about the same for the New York vault.

Sources:
LBMA: https://www.lbma.org.uk/prices-and-data/london-vault-data
SLV: https://emea-markets.jpmorgan.com/metalicsWebAppJanus/publicUnauthenticated/BONY_SLV.pdf
COMEX:
SGE/SFE:
 

 
Viking said:
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Samsung is/was the only major silver user known for having a long term exclusive delivery agreement with a miner, Mexican Avino. Avino were very proud of it and used it as a self promoting argument.
Keith Neumeyer of First Majestic some years ago reported of a major industrial silver user having approached them, I'm not sure whether it was Samsung.


One month ago India has massively lowered their import duties on gold and silver.
Let's watch India's silver import figures in the next months!
 

Will India & China Save Falling Silver Prices?​

Aug 11, 2024

The price of silver is off about 15% from its high.
Will investment demand from China and India stop the silver price from falling more?
I do a deep dive into the silver demand and supply to see what is driving demand in silver.
I compare the countries that buy the most silver but adjust for population and average yearly salary to compare their silver investments.
I then compare the silver purchases to their gold investments to see how much investors in each country prefer silver to gold.
I also look at the silver mining production cost and talk about other factors affecting supply and demand in silver.
Should you buy silver today?
Do India and China even see silver as a personal investment or is gold all they care about?

27:54
 
^^ Seems like a flawed methodology. Most of the Chinese (and I'm guessing Indian) silver imports are going into manufacturing products for export.
 
CiscoKid said:
Then I will hold silver illegally.
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They can have mine. They just have to find it in the backyard of about 20 acres. Of course it may or may not even be there but for what little I own I doubt it is worth the hassle.
 
Samsung’s new silver solid-state batteries are poised to revolutionize EVs with an impressive 600-mile range, 9-min full charge, and 20-yr lifespan.

Current EV‘s require about 5g of silver. This revolutionary technology requires ~1kg of silver.

That’s ~643% more silver per car

 
The Role of #Silver in Electric Vehicles:

Estimating the Impact of Samsung's Solid-State Batteries

The key drivers that will ramp up demand for EV’a are range, charge time, battery life and safety. Samsung's new solid-state battery technology, incorporating a silver-carbon (Ag-C) composite layer for the anode, exemplifies this advancement. Silver's exceptional electrical conductivity and stability are leveraged to enhance battery performance and durability, achieving amazing benchmarks like a 600-mile range and a 20-year lifespan and 9 minute charge.

Offical numbers are still currently unavailable but estimates could be for as much as 5 grams of silver per cell in Samsung's solid-state batteries, a typical EV battery pack containing around 200 cells for a 100 kWh capacity could require about 1 kg of silver per vehicle.

With global car production standing at about 80 million vehicles per year, if 20% of these vehicles (16 million EVs) were to adopt Samsung's solid-state batteries, the annual demand for silver would be around 16,000 metric tons (16 million vehicles * 1 kg of silver per vehicle). This would represent a significant portion of the current global silver production, which is approximately 25,000 metric tons annually, highlighting the substantial impact on the silver market.

Add in the fact that silver is already in a deficit with industrial demand from the solar industry pushing total yearly consumption ahead of supply.

So we don’t even have any silver capacity to spare!

Perhaps 5 grams might be high. Perhaps 20% will prove low for solid state battery penetration into the auto industry. It could be as much as 50% or greater looking 10-15 years out.

For me it’s just another reason to expect silver markets to tighten up future and the price of silver to take a run at its all time inflation adjusted high $200/oz will likely be seen in the come 10-15 years. If estimates of the true short position bullion banks currently carry in the silver market that price could be seen much sooner. All one needs to do is look back at the silver chart of the 1970’s to see how explosive the precious metal can move skyward when a true shortage develops and speculators decide to hoard.

My bet is… we will hoard.

 
Goldhedge said:
Samsung’s new silver solid-state batteries .... This revolutionary technology requires ~1kg of silver.
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This was posted earlier, but the 1kg number was speculation. I wonder if 1st Maj is just restating the speculation, or reporting some first hand knowledge that hasn't been publicly disclosed.
 
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