US debt ceiling, gov shutdown and Speaker of the House fight

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Joe King said:
^^^ from one of the comments comes the truth.

"Most of America will tell you all about Kim Kardashian and her larger-than-life tush but have no clue about the laws screwing them, their kids, and their communities. Disgraceful."


To fix the government, relative to spending anyways, all that needs to happen is to revert to the level of gov spending in 2017.

If they did that, the gov would have a balanced budget overnight, no one would have their entitlement payments cut, interest payments would be made and the debt ceiling would not need to be increased.
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While this may be true, how would the corrupt politicians line their pockets getting kickbacks from their pork projects?
 
Shumer says Americans can breath a sigh of relief now. LOL. Yes just relax because we are about to bend you over, use no lube and fork you really hard. How does everyone think this interest on the debt is going to be paid with interest rates this high and growing higher? More taxes. But hey, at least we dont have to worry about our politicians going homeless since they get all their living expenses paid for by us now.
 
Cigarlover said:
... Yes just relax because we are about to bend you over, use no lube and fork you really hard. ...
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<Morpheus> and how would that be different from any other day? </Morpheus>
 
* bump *

Government shutdown is back on the table...

 
They think we need them. It's government for the people, not rob the people and steal as much as you can while in office.
 
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The U.S. government will shut down at midnight on Sept. 30 if Congress fails to pass spending legislation. While the Senate is back in session Tuesday, the House will not return to work until Sept. 12, leaving nearly three weeks to pass funding before the deadline.

The White House on Thursday asked Congress to pass a single short-term measure, called a continuing resolution, to fund the federal government at current levels and avoid a shutdown while negotiations continue over a dozen long-term funding bills.

The leaders of both chambers agree that a short-term measure is the best way to avoid a government shutdown. Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-NY, said in August that he and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, R-Calif., agreed that Congress should pass a continuing resolution to extend funding at existing levels for a few months.

The continuing resolution is a stopgap measure that would set up for a potential shutdown at a later date if Congress cannot in the interim pass the longer-term spending bills. The Republican-led House of Representatives has only passed one of a dozen bills needed to fund the federal government through 2024.

McCarthy came out publicly in support of a continuing resolution to keep the government running during an interview with Fox News last month. He sought to cajole House Republicans into supporting the measure with a warning that investigations into the Biden administration would grind to a halt if the government shuts down.

"If we shut down, all of government shuts it down, investigations and everything else. It hurts the American public," McCarthy told Fox News.

But far-right members of the House GOP are pushing back against McCarthy. The House Freedom Caucus is trying to tie government funding to legislation that would crack down on undocumented immigration and restart construction of the border wall.

And Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., told constituents during a town hall last Thursday that she would not vote to fund the government unless the House votes to open an impeachment inquiry into President Joe Biden.

Bank of America analysts in a note Tuesday put the chances of shutdown as a flip of the coin given the conditions conservative Republicans are putting on funding legislation. If a shutdown does occur, it will have a minimal impact on financial markets, UBS analysts said in a note Tuesday.

Bank of America believes a shutdown is unlikely to last long if it does occur given the potential political consequences for the GOP and the added pressure to fund the government given the devastating wildfires in Maui, Hawaii, and the destruction from Hurricane Idalia in Florida and the Southeast last week.
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www.cnbc.com

Congress returns with the clock ticking to avert government shutdown, fund U.S. disaster response

The U.S. government will shut down at midnight on Sept. 30 if Congress fails to pass spending legislation.
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US will only default on specific targets like countries or institutions. For the forseeable future they can simply print until they cannot.
 
... House Republicans failed to advance two spending bills and progress with a temporary continuing resolution to avoid a shutdown.

Members of the House Republican Conference introduced a bill on Sunday to fund the government through Oct. 31.

The controversial deal included cuts to domestic spending and funding for border security.

But it was expected to fail in the majority-Democrat Senate.
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www.cnbc.com

Florida Sen. Rick Scott expects Congress will avoid government shutdown

"We should never see government shutdowns again," Florida Republican Sen. Rick Scott told CNBC, less than two weeks before the deadline for Congress to act.
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I believe it's 8 working days left to pass something. Doesn't sound like there is enough consensus to pass something yet.
 
Opinion piece on the state of the political maneuvering:
... The Wall Street Journal has some interesting numbers.

McCarthy proposes discretionary spending bills for fiscal 2024 totaling $1.526 trillion
The hardline conservatives want a budget of $1.471 trillion
The House Appropriations Committee authorized $1.59 trillion.

$1.526 trillion – 1.471 trillion = $0.055 trillion ($55 billion). That’s what the bickering is about. And the result would be a trillion dollar deficit.
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We can debate all day whether we should cut funding for Ukraine.

But here’s the political reality: Biden wants it, most Senate republicans do as well, and all of the allegedly anti-war spending Democrats will vote for more free money to Ukraine as well.

With so much Republican and Democrat support for Ukraine aid, the idea that Ukraine funding will be cut is headed nowhere.
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Axios reports Matt Gaetz Threatens McCarthy to Remove him as Speaker
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A motion to vacate the chair means holding a fresh vote on electing a Speaker of the House.

Part of McCarthy’s deal with the devil to become Speaker was a new rule that allows just one House Republican to advance a motion to vacate.

It might behoove Gaetz to consider the question “Who has the votes to replace McCarthy?“

If this is not a bluff by Gaetz, a motion to vacate could trigger chaos. The motion might fail because it would require 200 Democrats to go along, but what if they did?
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More:

House Republicans Make a Huge Mess, for What? Replace McCarthy with Whom? – MishTalk

mishtalk.com mishtalk.com
 
I don't get it. No other country in the industrialized world goes through this horse shit...........just us.

Hardline shutdown push of the few frustrates US House Republicans​


WASHINGTON, Sept 28 (Reuters) - A small group of hardline Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives have set the federal government on a course towards its fourth partial shutdown in a decade, angering some members of their own caucus.

At least nine members of House Speaker Kevin McCarthy's narrow 221-212 majority are refusing to back any stopgap measure to keep the government funded past midnight Saturday -- and threatening to try to oust him from leadership if he relies on Democratic votes to work around them.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ha...w-frustrates-us-house-republicans-2023-09-28/
 
It seems this time is different with respect to Congress' will to keep the spice flowing.
 
Cigarlover said:
I wouldn't miss them if they wanted to shut down the entire government for a year.
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Whole lotta havoc would occur. Lots of services we depend on for smooth day to day activities would be shut down or curtailed big time. I don't understand why we have to go through something that other countries simply take for granted. It's like we've elected kids who play with power like it's a toy and to hell with the people who elected them.
 

Millionaire GOP Rep Says He'll Take Pay During Shutdown Because He's 'Not Independently Wealthy'​

In today's edition of out of touch elitist politicians, GOP Rep. Brandon Williams told C-SPAN's Greta Brawner he'll opt to continue receiving pay if the government shuts down because he's not "independently wealthy."

He then told workers who will be furloughed and won't be paid while the government is closed to not expect "a huge amount of sympathy."

After admitting he didn't know how a government shutdown would affect his paycheck and needing Brawner to explain it to him, he was then asked if he would accept his pay if and when a shutdown occurs.

Williams: "I will. You know I am not independently wealthy, and we are like any other family."

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searcher said:
Whole lotta havoc would occur. Lots of services we depend on for smooth day to day activities would be shut down or curtailed big time. I don't understand why we have to go through something that other countries simply take for granted. It's like we've elected kids who play with power like it's a toy and to hell with the people who elected them.
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Services like border security? The reality is we could eliminate 90% of the federal government and not even blink an eye.

I'm not sure what you mean by other countries take for granted? What do they take for granted? The fact that politicians will pass a budget? Keep in mind, most other countries operate at a fraction of what the US does. We have the most expensive government in the world as well as it being the most corrupt. In case you haven't noticed, there is a huge segment of America that is tired of the inflation and tired of having their standard of living deteriorate drastically year after year while those in Government just enrich themselves off of our tax dollars.
 
Cigarlover said:
Services like border security? The reality is we could eliminate 90% of the federal government and not even blink an eye.

I'm not sure what you mean by other countries take for granted? What do they take for granted? The fact that politicians will pass a budget? Keep in mind, most other countries operate at a fraction of what the US does. We have the most expensive government in the world as well as it being the most corrupt. In case you haven't noticed, there is a huge segment of America that is tired of the inflation and tired of having their standard of living deteriorate drastically year after year while those in Government just enrich themselves off of our tax dollars.
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You will never get through. All you'll do is activate libDNA cognitive dissonance.
 
searcher said:
Whole lotta havoc would occur. Lots of services we depend on for smooth day to day activities would be shut down or curtailed big time.
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If so, it's only because the parts of gov needing to shut down, won't be.
....and the parts they do shut down will be chosen as such only to cause as much inconvenience to the People as possible.


searcher said:
It's like we've elected kids who play with power like it's a toy and to hell with the people who elected them.
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The people who elected them want the excess spending stopped.




Cigarlover said:
Services like border security? The reality is we could eliminate 90% of the federal government and not even blink an eye.
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At least 90%. Probably more.

All they gotta do is cut any spending that isn't directly supported by the Constitution.
 
Good for 45 more days. Will the crazies try to oust McCarthy?
 
I was reading last night that Gaetz has lost a lot of political capital with this stand. He doesn't have the support to elect any replacement for McCarthy. Ousting him without a replacement plan would be idiotic, so there is a 50% chance it happens.

50% is pulled from my ass and I'm only half joking.
 
McCarthey was selected and he has the $ behind him. No way the parasites will elect a populist as speaker in these times.
 
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www.nbcnews.com

Matt Gaetz triggers vote to oust Kevin McCarthy as House speaker

Gaetz, a Florida Republican, is a conservative bomb thrower and top Trump ally on Capitol Hill. The House must vote this week on whether to keep McCarthy as speaker.
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MAGA v non-MAGA political divide is creating a clown show in Congress.
 
Matt should go into television or work with Tucker. He is done in Congress.
 
Looks like the motion to vacate is going to pass. The battle to elect a new Speaker will begin soon. It likely won't end soon though.
 
Joe King said:
Hopefully it'll take at least 13 Months.
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The continuing resolution was only for 45 days. Congress was working on appropriation bills when this happened. If the wrangling for a new Speaker lasts more than a couple of weeks, it's likely going to end up causing at least a partial government shutdown. I expect some disorderly action in the markets as this plays out.
 
Voodoo said:
Nope. Wrong.
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I am shocked. Just when you think things could not get more screwed up they out do themselves. It was payback and the dems pilled on. Only took 8 pukes to get rid of him. I am shocked. Repuke chaos is as scary as the demopedos rioting in the streets and burring down cities.

For the record, Pelosi should have been removed each time she was speaker.
 
It's a start. It's also a sign that public pressure is making it's way to the cesspool we call DC. For far to long these people say whatever they have to to go what they want in DC and then turn around and renege on everything. He got the position if certain criteria were met and maintained. He failed to do that and now there are consequences. Chaos or not, I am glad he's gone.
 
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