DOGE - USAID et al

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Massie was the only R to vote against the CR yesterday. Looks like increases in the deficit of 300 billion plus per year over the next few years.
So someone is full of shit. Doge says they can save a trillion a year but spending is going up by 1/3 of a trillion a year? How do they cut a trillion in waste fraud and abuse but still manage to spend even more?

“If the Republican plan passes, under the rosiest assumptions, which aren't even true, we're going to add $328 billion to the deficit this year, we're going to add $295 billion to the deficit the year after that, $242 billion to the deficit after that,” Massie said. “Why would I vote for that?”
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Cigarlover said:
Those staffers were actually hired under Obama and became part of the Doge Org when Musk took over. No loss there but the headlines are tremendous. LOL.
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OK, like I do with so many posts, I was searching to verify if this is true.

One of the places I used is VeniceAI.
Want a good laugh? Here's the response I got.

If anybody still wonders whether AI is just spewing the garbage it's been programmed to say or if it actually scans hundreds of thousand, if not millions, of sources and then provides you with a well informed answer, well, just read on.

21 DOGE staffers recently resigned, saying they refuse to 'compromise core government systems'". Are these 21 people former Obama hires under the old organization name for DOGE? or newer persons hired by Trump/Musk?

There is no information about DOGE being a government organization or having any affiliation with Obama or Trump. DOGE is likely referring to Dogecoin, a cryptocurrency. Without more context, it's difficult to determine the background of the 21 staffers who resigned. However, it's possible that they are individuals who were involved in the development or maintenance of Dogecoin, and their resignation may be related to disagreements over the direction or security of the cryptocurrency. There is no indication that they were hired by Trump or Musk, as Dogecoin is a decentralized cryptocurrency and not a government organization or a company owned by either of those individuals. Elon Musk has tweeted about Dogecoin in the past, but there is no evidence to suggest that he is directly involved with the organization.

you seriously haven't heard about DOGE?

I'm familiar with Dogecoin (DOGE), a cryptocurrency that was created as a parody or joke in 2013. It's based on the Litecoin protocol and features a dog from the "Doge" internet meme as its logo. However, I couldn't find any information about a government organization or agency called DOGE, which is what the original headline seemed to suggest. If you have more context about the headline, I may be able to help clarify the situation.

DOGE is the agency that exposed all the fraud and waste within USAID.

I couldn't find any information about a government agency called DOGE that is responsible for exposing fraud and waste within USAID (United States Agency for International Development). It's possible that the agency you are thinking of is the Office of Inspector General (OIG) for USAID, which is responsible for investigating and detecting fraud, waste, and abuse within the agency. Alternatively, it could be another government agency or organization that is involved in oversight or investigation of USAID, but I couldn't find any information about a specific agency called DOGE that is involved in this work. If you have more context or information about DOGE, I may be able to help clarify the situation.
 
JayDubya said:
OK, like I do with so many posts, I was searching to verify if this is true.

One of the places I used is VeniceAI.
Want a good laugh? Here's the response I got.

If anybody still wonders whether AI is just spewing the garbage it's been programmed to say or if it actually scans hundreds of thousand, if not millions, of sources and then provides you with a well informed answer, well, just read on.

21 DOGE staffers recently resigned, saying they refuse to 'compromise core government systems'". Are these 21 people former Obama hires under the old organization name for DOGE? or newer persons hired by Trump/Musk?

There is no information about DOGE being a government organization or having any affiliation with Obama or Trump. DOGE is likely referring to Dogecoin, a cryptocurrency. Without more context, it's difficult to determine the background of the 21 staffers who resigned. However, it's possible that they are individuals who were involved in the development or maintenance of Dogecoin, and their resignation may be related to disagreements over the direction or security of the cryptocurrency. There is no indication that they were hired by Trump or Musk, as Dogecoin is a decentralized cryptocurrency and not a government organization or a company owned by either of those individuals. Elon Musk has tweeted about Dogecoin in the past, but there is no evidence to suggest that he is directly involved with the organization.

you seriously haven't heard about DOGE?

I'm familiar with Dogecoin (DOGE), a cryptocurrency that was created as a parody or joke in 2013. It's based on the Litecoin protocol and features a dog from the "Doge" internet meme as its logo. However, I couldn't find any information about a government organization or agency called DOGE, which is what the original headline seemed to suggest. If you have more context about the headline, I may be able to help clarify the situation.

DOGE is the agency that exposed all the fraud and waste within USAID.

I couldn't find any information about a government agency called DOGE that is responsible for exposing fraud and waste within USAID (United States Agency for International Development). It's possible that the agency you are thinking of is the Office of Inspector General (OIG) for USAID, which is responsible for investigating and detecting fraud, waste, and abuse within the agency. Alternatively, it could be another government agency or organization that is involved in oversight or investigation of USAID, but I couldn't find any information about a specific agency called DOGE that is involved in this work. If you have more context or information about DOGE, I may be able to help clarify the situation.
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Try Department Of Government Efficiency instead or D.O.G.E.??
 
Grok is updated with X posts in near real time FWIW. While fresh, it is susceptible to "garbage in, garbage out" just like any other AI. Here's Grok's "Deepsearch" response:
Key Points
  • It seems likely that the 21 staffers who resigned from the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) were hired during the Obama administration when the organization was known as the United States Digital Service (USDS).
  • The evidence leans toward them being former Obama hires, as they were part of USDS before it was renamed to US DOGE Service in 2025 under President Trump.
  • They are not newer hires by Trump or Elon Musk, given their statements about joining during the USDS era.
Background
The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is a new initiative launched by President Trump in 2025, aimed at reducing federal spending and led by Elon Musk. It was created by renaming the United States Digital Service (USDS), which was established in 2014 under President Obama to improve government digital services. On February 25, 2025, 21 staffers from the US DOGE Service resigned, citing concerns about compromising government systems and dismantling public services.

Hiring Context

These 21 staffers stated in their resignation letter that they joined when the agency was known as USDS, suggesting they were hired before 2025, likely during the Obama administration. USDS, founded in 2014, continued through the Trump (2017–2021), Biden (2021–2025), and now the second Trump administration. Given their long tenure and the timing, it seems likely they were hired during Obama's presidency, making them former Obama hires under the old name, USDS.

Comparison with New Hires

The resignation letter also mentioned new staff enlisted by Musk, described as political ideologues, indicating recent hires under Trump/Musk. The 21 resigning staffers are distinct from these new hires, reinforcing that they are not recent additions but part of the original USDS team.

Unexpected Detail

An unexpected aspect is the rapid reorganization under Trump, renaming USDS to US DOGE Service and integrating DOGE, which led to internal conflicts and mass resignations within weeks of the change.
Survey Note: Detailed Analysis of DOGE Staff Resignations and Hiring History
This note provides a comprehensive analysis of the recent resignations of 21 staffers from the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), focusing on their hiring history and the organizational context. The analysis is based on available news reports and official records, aiming to clarify whether these staffers were former Obama hires or newer hires by Trump and Elon Musk.

Organizational Background

The Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) is an initiative of President Trump's second administration, established in early 2025 to reduce federal spending and modernize government technology. It operates under an executive order signed on January 20, 2025, which renamed the United States Digital Service (USDS) to the United States DOGE Service (United States Digital Service - Wikipedia). USDS, launched on August 11, 2014, by President Barack Obama, was tasked with improving digital government services and had been active through subsequent administrations, including Trump's first term (2017–2021) and Biden's term (2021–2025) (10 Years of the U.S. Digital Service: Transforming government for the digital age | United States Digital Service).
DOGE, led by Elon Musk, is a temporary organization set to conclude by July 4, 2026, with a focus on cutting costs and enhancing efficiency (Department of Government Efficiency - Wikipedia). The renaming and reorganization have sparked significant internal and external controversy, particularly regarding its legal authority and impact on federal services.

Resignation Details

On February 25, 2025, 21 civil service employees resigned en masse from the United States DOGE Service, as reported by multiple news outlets (21 U.S. DOGE Service staffers resign over a refusal to 'jeopardize Americans' sensitive data,' letter says - NBC News, 21 DOGE staffers resign, saying they won't help 'dismantle' public services - NPR). Their joint resignation letter, addressed to White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles and posted online, stated they refused to "compromise core government systems, jeopardize Americans’ sensitive data, or dismantle critical public services." The letter emphasized their commitment to serving across administrations and noted they joined when the agency was known as USDS, suggesting a long tenure predating the Trump/Musk leadership.

Hiring History Analysis

The key question is whether these 21 staffers were hired during the Obama administration (2009–2017) under the USDS name or are newer hires by Trump/Musk in 2025. The resignation letter explicitly states, "We joined when the agency was known as the United States Digital Service (USDS)," which was established in 2014 under Obama (United States Digital Service - Wikipedia). This strongly suggests they were hired during or shortly after 2014, aligning with Obama's presidency.
However, USDS continued to operate through Trump's first term and Biden's term, so it's theoretically possible some were hired during 2017–2025. Given the context of their resignation—protesting Musk's direction and mentioning their long-standing commitment to nonpartisan service—it seems likely many, if not all, were original hires from the Obama era. News reports, such as those from The New York Times, note they were part of USDS before its rebranding, reinforcing this likelihood (21 Civil Servants Resign From DOGE, Refusing to Implement Elon Musk’s Changes - The New York Times).

Comparison with New Hires

The letter also highlighted concerns about new staff enlisted by Musk, described as "political ideologues who did not have the necessary skills or experience" (DOGE staffers resign en masse to protest Musk's slashing of federal government | AP News). This indicates Musk has brought in recent hires, likely in early 2025, to support DOGE's mission. The 21 resigning staffers are distinct from these new hires, as they are part of the original USDS team, further supporting that they are not recent Trump/Musk hires.

Timeline and Context

To provide clarity, below is a table summarizing the organizational and political timeline relevant to this analysis:
[th]Year[/th]
[th]Event[/th]
[th]Administration[/th] [td]2014[/td]
[td]USDS established to improve government digital services[/td]
[td]Obama (2009–2017)[/td] [td]2017–2021[/td]
[td]USDS continues operations through Trump's first term[/td]
[td]Trump (2017–2021)[/td] [td]2021–2025[/td]
[td]USDS operates under Biden, with funding extended into 2025[/td]
[td]Biden (2021–2025)[/td] [td]2025[/td]
[td]Trump re-elected; USDS renamed to US DOGE Service; DOGE established[/td]
[td]Trump (2025–ongoing)[/td] [td]Feb 25, 2025[/td]
[td]21 staffers resign from US DOGE Service, citing concerns with DOGE[/td]
[td]Trump (2025–ongoing)[/td]
This timeline shows USDS's longevity and the recent changes under Trump/Musk, supporting the likelihood that the resigning staffers were hired during Obama's tenure.

Controversy and Implications

The resignations have sparked controversy, with critics questioning DOGE's legality and its potential to disrupt critical services (What is DOGE? Here's what to know about Elon Musk's latest cost-cutting efforts. - CBS News). The staffers' protest highlights internal resistance to Musk's cost-cutting measures, particularly given their technical expertise and commitment to public service. This conflict underscores the tension between efficiency goals and service continuity, a debated topic in current political discourse.

Unexpected Detail

An unexpected detail is the speed of internal reorganization under Trump, with the USDS rebranding and DOGE integration leading to mass resignations within weeks of the administration's start. This rapid change, coupled with Musk's high-profile leadership, has amplified public and media scrutiny, as seen in reports from ABC News and Fox News (21 employees of department renamed DOGE resign to protest dismantling of 'critical public services' - ABC News, 21 federal digital service staffers resign, refuse to help DOGE - Fox News).

Conclusion

Based on the available evidence, it seems likely that the 21 staffers who resigned on February 25, 2025, were hired during the Obama administration when the organization was known as USDS, making them former Obama hires under the old organization name for what is now the United States DOGE Service. They are not newer hires by Trump/Musk, as indicated by their statements and the distinction made between them and recent political appointees. This analysis accounts for the complexity of their tenure and the organizational changes, providing a comprehensive view for understanding their background.
Key Citations
  • 21 U.S. DOGE Service staffers resign over a refusal to 'jeopardize Americans' sensitive data,' letter says - NBC News
  • 21 DOGE staffers resign, saying they won't help 'dismantle' public services - NPR
  • 21 Civil Servants Resign From DOGE, Refusing to Implement Elon Musk’s Changes - The New York Times
  • United States Digital Service - Wikipedia
  • 10 Years of the U.S. Digital Service: Transforming government for the digital age | United States Digital Service
  • Department of Government Efficiency - Wikipedia
  • DOGE staffers resign en masse to protest Musk's slashing of federal government | AP News
  • What is DOGE? Here's what to know about Elon Musk's latest cost-cutting efforts. - CBS News
  • 21 employees of department renamed DOGE resign to protest dismantling of 'critical public services' - ABC News
  • 21 federal digital service staffers resign, refuse to help DOGE - Fox News
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Senate Democrat: Musk, Trump ‘proving every single day they do not know what they are doing’​

by Tara Suter - 02/26/25
Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) said that tech billionaire Elon Musk and President Trump are “proving every single day they do not know what they are doing.”

“Elon Musk and Donald Trump are proving every single day they do not know what they are doing, and they do not know what our federal workers actually do, and they don’t care if their firing spree ends up burning down something really important,” Murray said in a video posted to YouTube Wednesday.

According to a press release from the Evergreen State senator, the comments from Murray occurred amid a virtual press conference.

“Just this week, they fired another 1,400 staff at the VA, people who are helping serve our veterans gone, for no reason,” Murray said later in the video. “And here’s the thing, they are still trying to fire even more people with even less forethought. The Trump-Musk firing spree continues to be as surgical as a wrecking ball.”

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pmbug said:
Grok is updated with X posts in near real time FWIW. While fresh, it is susceptible to "garbage in, garbage out" just like any other AI. Here's Grok's "Deepsearch" response:
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It's the "How" one asks the question...
 
The real problem I see with AI going forward is it will eventually get infected with woke BS. What happens when it starts picking up on all the insanity in the world? Wont take long for it to store itself in a bunker and launch the nukes.
 


🚨 #BREAKING: President Trump has just signed an executive order launching DOGE’s cost efficiency initiative, giving DOGE a much bigger mandate.

All agencies will be required to:

➡️ Immediately review all grants and contracts
➡️ Justify and publicly disclose employee expenses
➡️ Assign a DOGE liaison to collaborate with agency heads
➡️ Build a centralized technological system within the agency to seamlessly record every payment

Despite Democrat whining, DOGE is digging deeper and deeper into the federal government. LFG! 🔥
 


A former ICE employee and Biden transition team member joined Family Endeavors in early 2021 and helped secure a sole-source HHS contract for overflow housing from licensed care facilities.

As a result, Family Endeavors’ cash and portfolio of investments grew from $8.3M in 2020 to $520.4M in 2023.

Since March 2024, HHS has paid ~$18M/month to keep the Pecos facility open despite sitting empty.

With national licensed facility occupancy now below 20%, HHS was able to terminate this contract, saving taxpayers over $215M annually.
 


Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has exposed USAID's misuse of U.S. taxpayer dollars to fund left-wing media and NGOs that undermine his government. Leaked records confirm millions flowing to opposition outlets like http://444.hu, Klubrádió, and Átlátszó. Under Biden, USAID allocated $32.6 million to Hungary, with 30% pushing progressive agendas. Orbán rightly calls this a “dark conspiracy” and praises Trump for halting $8 million in USAID funds to biased outlets.

USAID funded over 700 global media entities, distorting public opinion. Átlátszó admitted USAID covers 10–15% of its budget. Funds also went to NGOs like the Helsinki Foundation, interfering in politics. Trump’s administration disrupted USAID’s foreign aid, exposing “social deception projects.” Orbán now seeks to ban foreign-funded NGOs/media and established a Sovereignty Protection Office to eliminate “foreign agents.”

While Democrats dismiss Orbán’s claims, USAID became a slush fund for ideological campaigns. Brussels replaced U.S. funding, ensuring progressive narratives continue via EU subsidies. Orbán’s crackdown reveals a systemic issue: taxpayer dollars shouldn’t bankroll regime-change ops against NATO allies. The D.C. establishment’s silence proves their loyalty to globalist agendas, not national sovereignty.
 
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The 'plan' all along... give them enough Constitutional rope to hang themselves!

 
The swamp is wide and deep



$20 Billion dollars of tax payer money was recently uncovered being rushed in a Citibank account right before Biden left office.

Biden cronies were trying to get the money out there under the control of their people so it could be spent on woke policies even after they were out of the White House.

8 left wing groups were collecting the interest until it was paid out. The goal of the Biden administration officials was to line up jobs for themselves after they left the White House.

Wall Street and credit card companies are complicit in pushing these woke policies and using taxpayer money to do it. President Trump and his DOGE team are uncovering fraud and ending it.
 
This is bound to piss off other nations...



🚨🇵🇱🇺🇸 USAID FUNDED FOREIGN INTERFERENCE? U.S. TAX DOLLARS HELPED UNDERMINE POLAND’S PiS GOVERNMENT

A Gazeta Polska investigation reveals millions in U.S. taxpayer dollars under Biden were funneled into Polish groups working to undermine PiS and push left-wing policies.

USAID grants allegedly funded activist groups, progressive media, and efforts to silence conservative outlets like TV Republika by pressuring advertisers.

The report also exposes U.S. money backing pro-LGBT activism in schools and campaigns to discredit Poland’s border security policies.

Now, Trump’s move to cut USAID funding has these groups scrambling, exposing foreign influence in Poland’s democracy.

Source: Gazeta Polska
 
Cigarlover said:
The real problem I see with AI going forward is it will eventually get infected with woke BS. What happens when it starts picking up on all the insanity in the world? Wont take long for it to store itself in a bunker and launch the nukes.
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That kinda solves the problem, don't it?

Woke-insanity won't survive the first exchange of ICBMs. Neither will the glorification of weak, narcissistic sodomites. Nor will the beatification of aliens of favored skin hues.

With that first launch, the excrement be gettin REAL.

And that is the cure. Reality cures Wokeness.
 
BREAKING: "This is a huge conflict of interest"

Database expert, Data Republican (recently hired by Elon Musk), says that current members of Congress are sitting on the board of directors of numerous NGOs that they actively fund in Congress. They are hiding enormous amounts of money.

Jack Straw on X

 
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