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For the record I dont think Trump has gone to the dark side. I think he is well aware that to prosecute anyone on the left is virtually impossible. The left has been playing the long game for decades and has put many roadblocks in place to prevent them ever getting prosecuted. Putting the right judges in the right places is a main one. Then they have the right people in many positions in many agencies. They have funneled money into other organizations to create the illusion of civil unrest. My guess is that goes away pretty fast if the shooting ever starts.

As I said before, we will most likely see some low level people prosecuted and possibly even jailed. This will create hope that more is coming and appease us on the right. The left will then run out the clock until they have control again and it's business as usual.

I dont fault Trump for any of this. It's just a larger problem that cant be dealt with in 2 years if he loses the midterms and less than 4 if he doesn't.
 
Cigarlover said:
For the record I dont think Trump has gone to the dark side. I think he is well aware that to prosecute anyone on the left is virtually impossible. The left has been playing the long game for decades and has put many roadblocks in place to prevent them ever getting prosecuted. Putting the right judges in the right places is a main one. Then they have the right people in many positions in many agencies. They have funneled money into other organizations to create the illusion of civil unrest. My guess is that goes away pretty fast if the shooting ever starts.

As I said before, we will most likely see some low level people prosecuted and possibly even jailed. This will create hope that more is coming and appease us on the right. The left will then run out the clock until they have control again and it's business as usual.

I dont fault Trump for any of this. It's just a larger problem that cant be dealt with in 2 years if he loses the midterms and less than 4 if he doesn't.
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To be fair... Trump can't prosecute anyone. I think he's doing things within the framework of the law. Any, and I mean ANY implication that Trump is the one attempting "law fare" against these clowns will be excoriated in the media!

He's allowing the FBI/DOJ to investigate (Remember? nobody has been 'investigated' yet? Certainly not during the last admin!) and if and when they find a crime they then get to prosecute.

Sure, we're here sitting in the catbird seat with an unobstructed view of what's been going on (embellished by social media I might add) and we're all fuming because nobody's been convicted, let alone arrested, or accused.

Again stating the obvious... 17th letter of the alphabet yet again:

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What of this 'conspiracy theory' above can anyone disagree with????

You know it has to be done this way because anything OTHER than the above will be torn to shreds in a court of law!!

Patience IS a virtue...!

The criminal syndicate has been operating since before JFK (1963) and while Rome wasn't built in a day, neither was a criminal case!

Another thought is they won't be broadcasting to the world what's going on because they don't want their methods to be known so as to scare them off.
 
Sorry GH I have no idea what message you are trying to project there nor do I have any desire to learn Q fantasy cytology.

If your relying on FBI/DOJ to do the heavy lifting then you're in for a severe disappointment. Those are the agencies the left has used to slow walk anything against them and fast track anything against the right. It's a sad state of affairs but every agency has become political.

We got Pam Bondi though, right? Are we forgetting her big press conference a few weeks ago where she brought in loads of online media personalities and gave them all bs on the Epstein files ? It's stunts like that that prove this is all a circus.

Now Kash says he has every agent in SDNY working on redacting the files. These are the same people that held up the files in the 1st place. Also the same people that have had the files since forever. But now they are going to work on them? Even if they are pretending to work on them it will be years before they release anything and if anything, they will work to delay this as long as possible and allow statute of limitations to expire if there is any in these cases. Really critical information will end up "Getting lost" and in the end we will find out as much from this investigation as we did with the Wiener laptop. However, lets say they do actually provide all the evidence to DOJ, DOJ still has to put a case together to prosecute. What happens if they "lose" some of the evidence? LOL

As I said, the left is miles ahead of us and they are the ones playing 3 or 4d chess. The right looks like pawns in comparison. The right assumes that most people working for these agencies are non political and nothing could be further from the truth. At best it's a 50/50 division and more than likely it's way worse. How do you get rid of all those with TDS? How do you even identify them?

Oh but there's more. Even if you got a case far enough along to get to court you still have to prosecute and at the court level the lawyers have a million ways to delay and obfuscate the truth. You also have to get witnesses to testify and juries to convict and judges to be impartial. Courtrooms would need to be sealed as well. After Pam's publicity stunt I seriously doubt she is up to the task. Did she really think anyone was going to buy her BS press conference without actual facts? The left was laughing the entire time knowing she didn't even have the files yet.
 
@Cigarlover you nailed a lot of things squarely on the head.

The theatrics of it all is REALLY wearing thin on me. So much smoke and mirrors and no real magic.
Or as they say in Texas all hat and no cattle. There's all this flash but no follow through. It's absolutely disgusting how many people lap it up and salivate for more without ever realizing they're getting no substance.

Still waiting for that arrest Elon promised was going to happen April 1.

Still waiting for a lot of things.
Still waiting for someone to build a wall and having Mexico pay for it.
Still waiting for the repeal of Obamacare
Still waiting for the Epstein client list to be released
Still waiting for the end of the war in Ukraine (a day one promise)
Still waiting for this and that and the other.
It can be frustrating as hell if you let it.

I do not suffer from TDS like some folks on this site but I also don't have my nose up his ass like so many others on this site.

Look, I admit Trump is doing a hell of a lot more than many of our recent presidents. I'm extremely happy about the deportations, the rolling back on the stupid as woke bullshit and DEI agendas the left was shoving down our throats. I'm glad we're going to dill baby drill. I'm also happy with the abuse DOGE is uncovering (now do something regarding what you've uncovered damn it!)

But people need to stop making excuses for him. They need to stop the genuflecting and all the ass kissing.

One man cannot change all that is wrong in DC. One administration can't do it.

What's worse is when one administration does actually do something worthwhile,m the next administration comes in behind them and undoes all the good that had been done.

I'm through with it. I'm done with all of them.

I don't trust a single one of 'em. Democrat or Republican, it simply doesn't matter.

They're a den of thieves and while they may actually not be able to stand each other they suffer from a severe case of mutual incrimination. Both parties are inextricably tied together with shared guilt. There will not be any prosecutions for fear of retaliation when the next administration comes in. One simply cannot do anything "to" the other. Neither can expose the other because doing so would expose their own involvement in the crime. They're stuck in a toxic and fragile alliance, with both parties holding damaging information about the other.
 
Well, we're powerless to do anything but vote.

We're just gonna have to wait n see what transpires.

It's either that, or pitchforks!
 


Trust @FBIDDBongino
and @FBIDirectorKash

Everything is not as it seems.

There are so many things happening behind the scenes that so many aren’t aware of.

The amount of high profile cases that are being investigated are in the hundreds…

I’m telling you this because I know folks…

Call me out in a few months if I’m wrong.
 


The EU offering to drop all tariffs on industrial goods isn’t some act of goodwill, it’s a direct response to America finally standing up for its own economic interests. For years, the U.S. got the short end of every “free trade” deal while the EU slapped VAT taxes, regulatory barriers, and hidden tariffs on our products. Now that we’re negotiating from strength, they’re folding, because they can’t afford to lose access to the world’s most powerful consumer market.

This proves what many of us have been saying all along: you don’t get fair deals by playing nice, you get them by being unapologetically pro American. But let’s not stop here. Dropping tariffs is a start, but where’s the talk about VAT disparities, tech barriers, and energy manipulation?

So here’s the real question: Should the U.S. accept the deal as is, or use this momentum to demand everything we’ve been denied for decades?
 
Between hand-in-hand DOGE and Tariffs it's difficult to keep them straight.

 
Goldhedge said:


Trust @FBIDDBongino
and @FBIDirectorKash

Everything is not as it seems.

There are so many things happening behind the scenes that so many aren’t aware of.

The amount of high profile cases that are being investigated are in the hundreds…

I’m telling you this because I know folks…

Call me out in a few months if I’m wrong.
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Oh, you know I will most certainly call him out in a few months if there's no action.
 
Even 1 high profile arrest would give everyone some confidence that something is being done.


Here's something you can try from home. Send the Taliban 50 million and lets see how quickly the feds kick your door in and confiscate everything you own and throw you in jail for the next 50 years.

I'll be patient though and give it another month. That will be 2 months total to actually make an arrest for the money sent to the Taliban by our own government.
 
I'm hoping... but they really have to do this in one fell swoop. Only one chance and they really do have to have everything.

That gets to Bix's presumption for some time now.

Trump got to be bad guy #1 in his first term
Putin got to play bad guy #2
now Xi is to play bad guy #3

And then....
 


You know what's about to happen, right?

Right?

They're not only going to FIND these illegals via the IRS...and deport them.

Oh no, that's only PART OF THE FUN that's coming.

They're ALSO going to SHOW you how much of your TAX DOLLARS these people were getting in benefits.

Millions of them were getting SUBSTANTIAL payments every month.

THIS is why the acting IRS head resigned.

She's getting clear of the coming fallout.



BTW, how do you think the CIA/MIC/ICS has been paying these Operation Gladio terrorist criminal gangs they imported to be their muscle here domestically?

You think the [C]entral ntelligence [A]gency, the [M]ilitary ntelligence [C]onglomerate, or the nternational [C]rime yndicate has been paying these gangs to run their human/sex/child/drug trafficking networks here inside the United States using THEIR OWN MONEY?

Well...PREPARE YOURSELF FOR A SHOCK.

They haven't been using their OWN money to pay these gangs...they've been using YOUR money.

Starting to see why the CIA/MIC/ICS is currently siccing all their rent-a-mobs on Elon/DOGE/Tesla?

THEY NEED THE MONEY SPIGOT TURNED BACK ON.

They don't wanna have to start spending their OWN MONEY for their war crime operations against the United States.

They HATE the idea of having to suddenly reach into their OWN wallets and pay the criminal gang networks they've used to infiltrate the US with their own cash.

They would MUCH rather try some desperate scheme where they force Trump/Musk/DOGE into BACKING OFF and turning the USAID $ and the SSA $ back on that their hired muscle has been getting.

Not only is the money to these MS-13/TdA gangs currently being cut off, the Trump administration is currently TRACKING THE GANG NETWORKS DOWN and quickly SENDING THEM TO A MAX SECURITY PRISON in El Salvador.

Much to the CIA/MIC/ICS's absolute horror.

DECADES of careful planning and strategizing that they invest BILLIONS [of mostly OUR MONEY] into is being flushed right down the toilet every day that Elon/Pam/Tulsi/Kristi/Kash/Pete are allowed to dismantle these carefully constructed national networks.

This is an EXISTENTIAL FIGHT for these people. They know **exactly** where Trump and his team are going to head next once the MASSIVE NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT of these muscle gangs have been dealt with and fully neutralized.

Once you are done with the 'capos', you go after the Dons. This is how you roll up a massive RICO network.

And that's exactly what this is.
 
What could be horribler than the enormous evil they've already found?

And for those who are bitching about no hangings yet. I hope you never go duck hunting -- you'd fire way too soon.

This is a crooked, complex root system of evil and graft. Connections have to be nailed so that connections can be nailed... and instant gratification -- considering the scope of the evil -- is a job done badly and shortsightedly.

So you get ten really nasty bastages by tomorrow night. YAY!! But because you did that nice, satisfying headliner, the BIG ones are warned of which way and what they have to cover. And the Deep State stays in power with a loss of just a few corporals and mebbe a captain or two. But no colonels and generals.
 
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Unca Walt said:
What could be horribler than the enormous evil they've already found?

And for those who are bitching about no hangings yet. I hope you never go duck hunting -- you'd fire way too soon.

This is a crooked, complex root system of evil and graft. Connections have to be nailed so that connections can be nailed... and instant gratification -- considering the scope of the evil -- is a job done badly and shortsightedly.

So you get ten really nasty bastages by tomorrow night. YAY!! But because you did that nice, satisfying headliner, the BIG ones are warned of which way and what they have to cover. And the Deep State stays in power with a loss of just a few corporals and mebbe a captain or two. But no colonels and generals.
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So we have to wait until they can investigate all 55,000 NGO's before we can start arresting anyone? I was under the impression that you start making arrests and when you get the low level guys you start offering deals for information to take down the big fish.
I also seem to remember that lots of people were claiming arrests were right around the corner during Trumps 1st term.

You and GH may be right and you may not. Is there any point where you do concede and admit that the system is so corrupt it can never be fixed? Because at this point it looks like there is enough evidence that DOGE has revealed that 10's of thousands should already be arrested. Instead they are walking free and burying their ill gotten gains somewhere so they can still retire comfy when they get out of club fed, if they even go.
To be clear, all I am asking for is the arrests to begin. Arrest 10 or 20 or 50 and the rest will begin to get nervous. A couple weeks later announce that anyone involved in these schemes can get amnesty from prison if they just pay back the money. Failure to take that deal will result in the harshest prison sentences possible. It's like offering self deportation. Not everyone will take the deal but when you start there then everyone that does take the deal is one less you have to waste investigative resources on.
 
Unca Walt said:
What could be horribler than the enormous evil they've already found?

And for those who are bitching about no hangings yet. I hope you never go duck hunting -- you'd fire way too soon.

This is a crooked, complex root system of evil and graft. Connections have to be nailed so that connections can be nailed... and instant gratification -- considering the scope of the evil -- is a job done badly and shortsightedly.

So you get ten really nasty bastages by tomorrow night. YAY!! But because you did that nice, satisfying headliner, the BIG ones are warned of which way and what they have to cover. And the Deep State stays in power with a loss of just a few corporals and mebbe a captain or two. But no colonels and generals.
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Exactly!

Let them do their jobs. It's only been what?? 2 months??
 
I WOULD like to see whole teams of Special Prosecutors, a special investigatory body within the FBI or outside it, and reports to CONgress about what has been found so far.

A House Subcommittee would be good, but given the makeup of the CONgress, that's not likely. But there's nothing to keep Trump from hiring a dedicated team, and from making reports, the way Sheriff Judd Grady does when he's briefing the press.
 
Cigarlover said:
also seem to remember that lots of people were claiming arrests were right around the corner during Trumps 1st term.
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While I may be wrong, I thought there were also mentions of military tribunals too. I may have started a thread about this on the old place. Never thought it would happen, just wanted to see the replies. lol

Fun with Grok:

during Trump's first term as president were there mentions of military tribunals made on line as to traitors?

Answer:

During Donald Trump’s first term as president (2017–2021), there were indeed online discussions and mentions of military tribunals in connection to accusations of treason or traitors, though these were often speculative, conspiratorial, or rooted in fringe narratives rather than grounded in official policy or actions. The idea of military tribunals being used to address perceived "traitors" gained traction in certain online communities, particularly among supporters of Trump who believed that political opponents, government officials, or others were undermining the country. Here’s a breakdown of the context:
  1. Conspiracy Theories and Online Communities: The concept of military tribunals was frequently tied to the QAnon movement, which emerged during Trump’s first term. QAnon followers often claimed that Trump was secretly orchestrating a plan to arrest and try high-profile figures—such as Democratic politicians, media personalities, or government insiders—for alleged crimes, including treason. These claims circulated on platforms like Twitter, Reddit, 4chan, and later Parler, with some posts suggesting that military tribunals would be used to bypass civilian courts for swift justice. However, no credible evidence or official statements from the Trump administration ever substantiated these claims.
  2. Executive Order Speculation: In 2018, Trump signed an executive order (EO 13825) amending the Manual for Courts-Martial, which governs military justice procedures. Some online commentators and conspiracy theorists misinterpreted this routine update as evidence that Trump was preparing to use military tribunals against domestic enemies. Posts on social media platforms falsely claimed the EO signaled imminent tribunals for "traitors," but the order itself was a standard procedural adjustment and made no mention of targeting civilians or political opponents.
  3. Rhetoric Around "Treason": Trump himself used the term "treason" loosely during his first term, often in tweets or speeches to criticize opponents, such as those involved in the Russia investigation or the impeachment proceedings. For example, he accused figures like former FBI Director James Comey or members of the "deep state" of actions he called treasonous. While these statements fueled online speculation about military tribunals, Trump never explicitly called for such tribunals to be used against these individuals. His rhetoric, however, amplified discussions in certain online circles where supporters interpreted his words as a call for extreme measures.
  4. Lack of Official Action: Despite the online chatter, no military tribunals were convened during Trump’s first term to try anyone for treason, nor were there any official proposals from the administration to do so. The U.S. legal system, including civilian courts, continued to handle cases of alleged misconduct or criminal activity. Military tribunals are typically reserved for wartime scenarios involving enemy combatants, and their use against U.S. citizens for political reasons would face significant legal and constitutional barriers.
  5. Cultural and Political Climate: The polarized political environment of Trump’s first term contributed to the spread of these ideas online. Supporters who felt that institutions like the media, judiciary, or intelligence agencies were corrupt sometimes expressed a desire for military tribunals as a way to "clean house." These sentiments were often shared in forums, blogs, or social media posts, but they remained speculative and lacked any basis in policy or reality.
In summary, mentions of military tribunals for "traitors" during Trump’s first term were prevalent in certain online spaces, driven largely by conspiracy theories, misinterpretations of executive actions, and heated political rhetoric. However, these discussions were not reflective of any actual policy or legal proceedings. They were more a product of the era’s intense political divisions and the spread of unverified claims on the internet. If you’re looking for specific examples or platforms where this was discussed, I can dig deeper into the sentiment or key moments—let me know!
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I don't really know what DOGE is actually doing but I do know they are gutting a lot of agencies (some that a lot of people depend on) and then rehiring some of those same people back. If this is the case do they actually understand what these agencies and people actually do?

Casey Jones said:
and reports to CONgress about what has been found so far.
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This is something I'd also like to see. Make it public. If it is actual waste let us all see it and explain it. As to fraud, state what the fraud is, how it was done and who was behind it.
 
There is the law and then there is what we think is the law and the two seem to be far apart.

Sure, we'd love to see a good ol' hanging in the public square... but there are more important things to fix before that happens... if ever.

This 'fair trade war' is just getting off the ground and from the looks of it, it's having a positive effect. Nations are bellying up to the bar to 'Make a deal' all of a sudden, so there must have been SOMETHING worth considering for them?

What we're learning is that China is the real culprit. From Mr. Wonderful they've been stealing our tech, duplicating it and selling it back to us - the biggest consumer group in the world - for less than we can produce it. Never mind that we loved and welcomed the cheap prices as we unwittingly stabbed ourselves in the back.

Mired in our mundane lives here in the trenches there's 'something' going on we're not seeing that has to do with economic survival. Is it we're not understanding the BIG picture? We demand ACTION! Yet we forget "The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine."

People are sifting out the dross of "Orange Man bad" media negativity. Like it or not Trump is right again! He's always been right and that's what the really hate about him. They can't pull the grift over our eyes any more.
 


Democrats used the U.S. invasion to extort $1.2 billion from the American taxpayer—laundering it through NGOs disguised as Catholic charities and funneling it back to the Democrat Party.

• “The money that we are LAUNDERING through these agencies
• The money that we're LAUNDERING through these NGOs
• The money that we're LAUNDERING through these various organizations throughout the world

Is not only funding things that are toxic to the very culture that we're supposed to be helping, but that money is finding its way back into people who want to continue the gravy train.”

Additionally,
Joe Rossi has CONFIRMED not only the Catholic Charities extorted the American taxpayer of $1.2B to process trafficked ‘drugged’ children—“they stopped vetting sponsors. It didn’t matter who picked the kids up — just move them fast.”
 
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