Francis Scott Key Bridge collapses in Baltimore after ship strike

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Goldhedge said:
I wonder how many other ships are ignoring issues...?
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Lessons for Baltimore: How Minneapolis recovered from its 1-35W bridge collapse 17 years ago​

The collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore on Tuesday is unfortunately not the first deadly collapse of a major interstate bridge in the US. But the response to a bridge failure in Minneapolis 17 years ago, one of the most catastrophic bridge failures in recent memory, could serve as a roadmap for Baltimore moving forward.

On August 1, 2007, when cars were bumper to bumper in evening rush hour traffic along Interstate 35W in Minneapolis, the heavily trafficked, eight-lane bridge that spanned the Mississippi River suddenly failed and collapsed into the river and railyard below. Thirteen people were killed, and nearly 150 more were injured.

In addition to the tragic loss of lives and the immediate damage, the collapse of the I-35W bridge cut off a major transportation artery for the Twin Cities. About 140,000 cars a day traversed the I-35W bridge that once stood more than 100 feet above the Mighty Mississippi.

The loss of the I-35W bridge was initially estimated to sap $113,000 per day (about $17 million total in 2007 and $43 million in 2008) from the state’s economic output, according to projections from the state of Minnesota. Concern swelled about how traffic would snarl elsewhere in the state.

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nickndfl said:
Gilligan should have dropped the anchor.
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Apparently they did try to drop an anchor. They probably should not have though. From what I've read, the anchor drop might have contributed to pulling the ship into the bridge support.
 

MV Dali and Port of Baltimore Update - March 27, 2024​

Mar 27, 2024

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00:00 Current Situation
02:29 Situation in the Port of Baltimore
05:21 Replay of Events of March 26
10:22 Information on MV Dali

Marine Traffic https://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/home/centerx:-12.0/centery:25.0/zoom:4

Port of Baltimore Map https://mpa.maryland.gov/Documents/20...

Video of MV Dali • RAW: Cargo ship loses power, crashes ...

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A lot of chatter out there comparing this to the movie Leave The World Behind. In that movie, the same bridge is shown as having collapsed and in a different scene, a large container ship loses power and runs aground after a cyberattack.
 
A "Black Swan event" doesn't mean it was planned...

"The TRUTH is coming out in the Baltimore bridge collapse" General Mike Flynn | Redacted News​

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For 2024, the company said given the timing of the Baltimore bridge collapse and the temporary change in the homeport of Baltimore-based cruises, 2024 guidance does not include the current estimated impact of up to $10M on both adjusted EBITDA and adjusted net income for FY24.

Carnival added that the company requires a “significant amount of cash to service debt and sustain operations,” cautioning that the company might not be able to generate enough cash required to service that debt and sustain operations.

“Our substantial debt could adversely affect our financial health and operating flexibility,” Carnival said.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mar...pse-could-clip-fy24-profit-by-10m/ar-BB1kDdTb

Ouch
 
I am surprised the circus that is Carnival, is doing so well up to now.

The cruise industry has a PROBLEM. That problem is rooted in poor service and poor hygiene, rooted in low profit margins. The business model was conceived in a high-trust societal environment, when travel, by ship or by aircraft, involved professionals, mostly English, European or American; high profit margins; newer equipment, often-times (old oceanliners excepted) and an exclusionary price to pay for it all.

Mass-marketing the product, as Carnival did, resulted in less money, and unsavory ways to cut corners. First, professional sailors who were NOT professional hospitality people, who didn't speak English. Then third-world staffing; sometimes with cleanliness issues. Witness food-poisoning events on these ships.

THEN, older, poorly-suited, or sloppily-maintained ships or passenger infrastructure within these ships. There's plenty of stories, of former liners made into working-class short-cruise vessels, with plumbing or even structural issues...prime movers failing en route. And/or the crew either criminally neglectful or contemptuous...as with the Oceanos, sinking, where the crew did NOT raise the alarm but quietly abandoned ship while a concert was going on in the ship's event center.

I would NOT travel, or spend time, on a Carnival vessel. How MANY collisions, failures, epidemics, do we need to SEE happen on those things? A Vegas casino-hotel offers many of the same thrills, while it's easy to step off early if the food is bad or the staff dangerous.
 
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London Insurers Face Billions in Baltimore Bridge Claims

By Joe Easton (Bloomberg) Insurers face claims of as much as $3 billion following Tuesday’s collapse of the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore, with firms on the Lloyd’s of London...
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Titanic-Era Law Could Cap Shipowner Liability in Baltimore

By Ethan M Steinberg (Bloomberg) The owner of the ship that rammed into a Baltimore bridge could face hundreds of millions of dollars in damage claims after the accident sent vehicles plunging into...
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pmbug said:
Apparently they did try to drop an anchor. They probably should not have though. From what I've read, the anchor drop might have contributed to pulling the ship into the bridge support.
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Apparently it's emergency protocol.

Sal Mertigliano over at What's Going On With Shipping, says - and I have no reason to doubt - that dropping anchor on a large moving ship, does little. The anchor has to set, and hook onto terrain on the bottom. Setting it in motion has it dragging the floor, and is more likely to hook onto underwater cables or similar, than to actually arrest movement.

No one could have known how the ship would have reacted to the dropping, at this point. The combination of the anchor dragging and the ship suddenly experiencing a reversing of the screw, could have combined to twist the vessel out of the channel, while it still had forward motion.

Just another aspect of a combination of small events, leading to a disastrous outcome.
 
Radio traffic.

Mar 26, 2024

The Maryland Transportation Authority Police Dispatch and Response to the Key Bridge Collapse. Officials saved numerous lives shutting down the bridge just before the collision and collapse. Unfortunately, construction workers on the bridge were not able to evacuate in time. All times in the video are in Central Time Zone.

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Now they are saying it was having major power outages for the 48 hours before it left port.
 
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spinalcracker said:
where were the tugboats?….what is the Harbor Masters story?
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According to WGOWS, the tugs cut away once a ship, any ship, is in the main-traffic channel.

It's routine. To escort each vessel past the bridge, or past the river mouth, would increase the work, and thus the number required, tugboats.

They may find themselves doing it, for a time. For appearances. After a few years of no incidents, they'll again cut back to simply pushing the ships to or away from assigned piers.
 
Casey Jones said:
Amazing.

How MANY "incidents" do prospective passengers need to read/watch/learn about, to get the idea that there are more restful ways to spend your spare time?
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I'm with you on this.........no cruise boats for me. Read too many horror stories. If I were to take a cruise it would be on a merchant ship.
 
Casey Jones said:
According to WGOWS, the tugs cut away once a ship, any ship, is in the main-traffic channel.

It's routine. To escort each vessel past the bridge, or past the river mouth, would increase the work, and thus the number required, tugboats.

They may find themselves doing it, for a time. For appearances. After a few years of no incidents, they'll again cut back to simply pushing the ships to or away from assigned piers.
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One would think that the Harbormaster would of know the Dali was involved in another crash and would have required tugboat escorts.
 
searcher said:
I'm with you on this.........no cruise boats for me. Read too many horror stories. If I were to take a cruise it would be on a merchant ship.
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A rare time I'm in full agreement with you.

Actually that was one of my pre-Coof fantasies. A guy I know online had encouraged me to retire in Australia - as a non-citizen alien I couldn't work, but I could own property. He was encouraging me to shop out a "cattle station" (ranch) and raise beef...a fast way to make money, he said. He'd done that himself. So I thought I'd ride out there on a tramp steamer and check it out...I have the passport; and I was planning to visit the Australian consulate and see about requirements, visas, etc.

Australia is dead, as a destination - and raising beef just became political in a way I'd never thought of. Food is now a destroyer of the "climate."

I could travel on a cargo vessel, still, probably - but I'm not that far under age 70, and that seems to be the cutoff. And since I won't get my eight or so required Jabs, I couldn't get off in most places.

The world got a whole lot smaller, thanks to the motherWEFfers.
 
I would think the Harbormaster has his job as POLITICAL PATRONAGE and couldn't care less.

Seems I'm not that far from the Truth.

In any event, with 200 or so arrivals each day, they have no way of knowing or concerning themselves with individual ship's histories. The Dali was inspected in New York Harbor in September and passed without any issue or red flags. That is all that would have come up on a quick check. Otherwise, it's up to the crew to inform the harbor of any particular needs.

MUCH more troubling is today's word that the Dali was delayed 48 hours for repeated electrical and engine issues. Probably related...perhaps today's EPA-compliant marine diesels need electronics to operate.

It seems that it's SOP for a ship not to patch into shore power unless it's going to be tied up for an extended period. The Dali, on this run, had picked up some refrigerated containers, and apparently those have to be plugged into ship's power. They do have diesel refrigeration units on the forward end of the container, like reefer semi-trucks; but obviously they can't fuel or service or even monitor them when underway. So, apparently they get plugged in, to 220 volts or whatever; and the Dali kept on tripping the main breakers, this port evolution.

Nonetheless, they headed out without getting help from contractors.
 

Baltimore Bridge Collapse Analysis: 100% AVOIDABLE​

On March 26, 2024, the Francis Scott Key Bridge in the Baltimore Harbor was struck by a massive container ship Dali. Jeff OStroff walks you through all phases of this fateful collision and the resulting total collapse of the Key Bridge, offering you step by step walkthrough of security camera videos that captured this engineering disaster. You'll also see possible bridge design deficiencies, as well as past deficiencies on the Dali ship, and what could have prevented this catastrophe.
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I understand that Biden said "We'll fix it using American taxpayers money..."

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What a nice guy to offer that up! Just think about it...

Insurance company won't need to pay up, heck they won't even need to THOROUGHLY investigate the scene like they would if on the hook...

Things that make you go "Hmmmm..."

and like clockwork...

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Watch as the Biden economy drops off... they'll blame the bridge collapse and not Biden...
 
Goldhedge said:
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No kidding.

When I want engineering data, I ALWAYS go to anon posters on TikTok.

There is an emergency generator that offers power to essential functions, probably including steering. I say "probably" because it differs by ship. Some ships have aux controls in the engine room. Some will have backup power.

But frankly, it wouldn't matter if the power AND diesel were out, because turning the rudder would be useless. It needs wash off the screw, or at the very least, significant forward motion, to be effective. A 3-knot drift with the screw sitting idle is almost-certainly not enough.

Were the rudder to become immobilized, or drop off, in an emergency, the ship could steer with bow and side thrusters. Which are electrically-powered.

But when the ship goes completely dark it's dead in the water. As we've seen in thousands of maritime disasters and emergencies, often involving ships in storms, that took on water that disabled the power or generation systems.
 
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The Baltimore bridge disaster may lead to the 'largest single marine insurance loss ever,' Lloyd's of London bosses say​


  • The Baltimore bridge collapse could trigger billions of dollars in insurance losses, the chairman of Lloyd's of London said.
  • "The tragedy has the capacity to become the largest single marine insurance loss ever," Bruce Carnegie-Brown told Reuters.
  • The insurance market's CEO John Neal also warned the disaster could lead to billion-dollar losses.
The collapse of Baltimore's Francis Scott Key bridge could lead to the biggest losses in the history of marine insurance, the bosses of Lloyd's of London warned on Thursday.

"The tragedy has the capacity to become the largest single marine insurance loss ever," the commercial insurance market's chairman Bruce Carnegie-Brown said in an interview with Reuters.

Meanwhile, Lloyd's CEO John Neal told BBC Radio 4's "Today" show that it was fortunate that both the bridge and the ship that collided with it were insured, even though that could lead to billion-dollar losses within the industry.

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Who Is In Charge of the Salvage in Baltimore?​

Mar 28, 2024

In this episode - maritime historian at Campbell University (@campbelledu) and former merchant mariner - discusses the three salvage operations that have to be attempted and the lack of an incident commander to oversee the situation.


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BALTIMORE UPDATE: Analysis from specialists in predictive behavioral analytics, counter-terrorism, hazardous materials, maritime attacks, cyber, national security & intel - this is their view:

Based on their training & experience, they believe this was two types of operation:

1) “Penetration testing” where they are probing/testing to identify vulnerabilities in our responses and defences,

AND

2) a shaping operation to set the conditions and prepare the battlefield for a potential future event.

The concern is that other critical infrastructure disruptions/hits recently that appeared to be independent, isolated events, MAY not be. For example, the Ohio chemical disaster, train derailments, fires at food processing plants etc when taken in isolation do not appear to be that significant but when taken together, could indicate shaping or stacking operations that are paving the way for a bigger event where they do any number of these types of operations together. That could potentially paralyze the U.S..

So the critical question our government should be answering right now is this:

“When will they trigger a multiple episode that causes the paralysis effect?”

Some of the indicators are how many incidents have occurred within “a relatively short timeline” & what they see as the departure from what is “normal”.

They believe those in charge will make sure the investigation into the bridge crash “goes nowhere quick”.

And one of the goals here is to give the public mental anesthesia while they test this, using train derailments or exposure to chemicals in Ohio where they told everyone to shelter indoors - to ask questions like: Did they comply? Is this going to successfully deceive & cause behavioural change?

They use the media to create the assumptive narrative - do not want the facts analyzed because they do not want people processing the truth. Truth naturally leads to questions they do not want asked.

But it would be “foolish and naive at the expense of national security not to question the Government narrative on the Baltimore bridge crash given the level of corruption in spheres of power and influence in this country today”.

With many years of experience in “spoofing” - the tactic used in cyber warfare to hack into someones’s system and deceive in order to achieve a certain outcome - they recognized multiple indicators watching the video that tell them the GPS signal was likely hacked. It would have led them to believe they were not as close to the bridge as they were and may be why in the video you see the crazy lean to port and then to hard starboard as they realized they were not on course in spite of the GPS indicating they were.

In information warfare terms, here are some of the tactics they see being used now that many of you will recognize:

1) Engineered complexity - where they throw in nonsensical variables (information) to distract. This is designed to keep you from serially processing multiple channels & give you processing overload that prevents you from toggling different channels of information.

IE: they create processing decoys to distract you from truth.

2) They are trying to reframe the issue by focusing on details that do not matter. They do this by throwing in a variable that is not relevant to the main equation.

3) Common sense, skepticism and intelligence are huge “overlays” that get in the way of manipulating human behavior so they analyze you to learn how to create channel overload as you toggle/handle different channels of information such as the speed of the boat, temperature of the water etc.

3) They need to load you up with enough variance to create channel overload so you create an error that they can use to discredit you. One way is to create doubt in yourself. Most effective because you make yourself less efficient when your brain is processing self-doubt. And it will propogate into the future.

“Population so much easier to dupe today than 20 years ago.”
 
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