Ukraine

Welcome to the Precious Metals Bug Forums

Welcome to the PMBug forums - a watering hole for folks interested in gold, silver, precious metals, sound money, investing, market and economic news, central bank monetary policies, politics and more.

Why not register an account and join the discussions? When you register an account and log in, you may enjoy additional benefits including no Google ads, market data/charts, access to trade/barter with the community and much more. Registering an account is free - you have nothing to lose!

Kherson fog of war. Scholz visits China. Imran Khan shot. Russia has receipts, shows them to UK. U/1​

34m
 
we are living in the bizarro world




President Trump : “The 4th of July celebrates the core , fundamental values we all can relate to: sincere love of our Country , respecting our ancestors , seeking to be worthy of their war feats and remarkable achievements , and good citizens of their country , working to develop it , and for the benefit of our people. The traditions to care for our country and being ready to stand up for it and defend it are intrinsic for our multi-ethnic , millions strong Nation.”
 
Goldhedge said:
Maybe because past history proves there is no substance to address? We don't see it because it's commonplace for us in the west since we live IN the matrix? We are the frog in the pot of hot water?

I don't recall looking up reporters at any point to 'expose' their history. Just knowing it's the MSM I know there is a Western bias.

We all witnessed the 2020 election steal. We know the MSM was involved in the obfuscation there. The CIA is a known entity already what with Afghanistan poppy fields funding their ops.

5 eyes: The CIA doesn't spy on Americans, but by request the other 4 do and then they share intel. The 'plausible deniability policy'.

The NWO? Anyone can deny they/it exist(s), but there is plenty of smoke pointing to their involvement in reorganizing the world to fit their agenda. Call them international bankers, Soros, WEF whatever, the fact is they are actually telling the world what their plans are in advance. All one need do is watch their videos, read their notes. It's nothing new and has been going on for a century or more. People scoff at that idea and question how could that be? How could it be centuries? People don't live that long... but corporations do! Especially family corporations! They hide behind foundations controlling outcomes. Biden is their puppet, as were Obama and Hillary. Foot soldiers on the world stage.

All I'm doing is presenting what I see as being the opposite view to a contentious situation the world is in. It didn't happen by mistake. It was planned out in great detail. If I never posted anything about Ukraine we here would have the same world view: Putin bad. I don't see it like that. I'm calling them on it. The only 'aggressor' I see here is the west. There is plenty of evidence to prove that:

"We’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." General Wesley Clark

Retired General Wesley Clark revealed to Democracy Now’s Amy Goodman in 2007 the ambitious imperial plans of the Bush-Cheney inner circle. Clark is a former four-star general. He served as Supreme Allied Commander of NATO during the conflict in the former Yugoslavia.
​
War is a Racket Major General Smedley Butler

Exactly who is 'programming' this?

The point is we're but a twig in the river of consciousness. By design, we're powerless to change things. Our our supposed voice, our precious vote has been usurped. The last election proved that. That is what 'education' has done for the nation. We're fed a line of BS a mile long and 12 to 18 years of it at that! The more I learn about history the more I realize everything was a lie. A fantasy designed to garner compliance. My country, My God, My job, My world view is preprogrammed to that end. We are empty vessels to be filled with their* propaganda.

*the real question is who are they? It certainly is NOT organic, nor 'Constitutional'!

Does Russia (or China) have that same world view? Possibly, Russia is no longer the USSR, but in listening to Putin's speech (before entering Ukraine) about the history of the Rus, he sees exactly what he spoke about: The US, via NATO, wants to Balkanize Russia and steal its resources. Putin is looking out for his people, his culture, his history. What are we looking out for? We know nothing about their history, nor our own! We're too busy consuming and 'enjoying' life!

I don't see the US being threatened by anything like NATO in the world. Russia used to be our ally. Our Russian Ally (1945)

Even Ike warned us about the MIC. Yet here we are as a nation doing what the world doesn't want. We should not be colonizing the world ala our British imperialist model. What we should be doing is avoiding foreign entanglements and trading with the world as G Washington said.

So, long story short...

There's more going on here than what we are led to believe. I think the real reporting comes from the indy reporters on the ground. Especially when they are banished and penalized financially by the west who supposedly touts itself as being above reproach. Not everything is Russian propaganda.

If you happened to watch the short video above "Crime Scene: Bucha" you come away with the wests insistence (programming) that Russia is a war criminal. I see it as a war propaganda film prepping the youth for the next big war. Hollowood is good at that. Even in the 1940's! Total BS. Western propaganda. We "TV children" aka 'mushrooms' are so easily programed.


That's where I'm coming from....

edit to add: I'm not alone in this assessment! The rest of the world (85%) sees it too and are tired of US hegemony!
Click to expand...
and to solidify my point... Cliff High 'splains the una'slpainable...
 
What's going on now? G7+ Oz countries: a 'fixed' price cap on Russian oil...

G7 oil price cap. EU lawyers, seize Russian assets. Russia, easy travel visa. Letterman in Kiev. U/2​

17m
 

Update from Ukraine | Ruzzians Runs away from Kherson but it could be a trap for Ukraine​

16m
 

A Proposal to End the Russo-Ukrainian War​

With Russian forces performing so poorly in Ukraine, it is not surprising that Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov recently spoke about how Moscow is “ready” to negotiate an end to the war.

by Mark N. Katz
With Russian forces performing so poorly in Ukraine, it is not surprising that Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov recently spoke about how Moscow is “ready” to negotiate an end to the war. Lavrov indicated that Russia has two conditions for an agreement, however, he also made clear that Moscow hopes to gain from negotiations with the West what it cannot win on the battlefield from Ukraine.

As reported by Newsweek, one of Lavrov’s conditions for negotiating is that the West “fully take into account the interests of the Russian Federation and its security.” Another is that the West would need to “offer us some serious approaches that will help defuse tensions.” The first of these two conditions amounts to a Russian demand that the West (especially the United States) accept at least some of Moscow’s territorial claims in Ukraine as well as that Ukraine does not join NATO. The second condition appears to be a demand that the United States and other Western governments come up with a mechanism to enforce Ukrainian acceptance of any agreement between Russia and the West ending the conflict.

Unsurprisingly, neither the United States nor the Ukrainian government is willing to take Lavrov up on this offer. Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy has previously laid out his own conditions for negotiating a settlement, including the punishment of Russia through further sanctions, an end to its role as a permanent member of the United Nations (UN) Security Council, and international security guarantees for Ukraine. Needless to say, Russian president Vladimir Putin is unlikely to accept any of these conditions.

more
nationalinterest.org

A Proposal to End the Russo-Ukrainian War

With Russian forces performing so poorly in Ukraine, it is not surprising that Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov recently spoke about how Moscow is “ready” to negotiate an end to the war.
nationalinterest.org nationalinterest.org
 

Did Putin just expose this? The U.N. Just shut it down | Redacted with Clayton Morris​

18m
 
Finally! Something to read!

Donbass Self-Determination: Referenda and the Rights of Minorities. Analysis by UN Expert​

By Alfred de Zayas and Arnaud Develay
Global Research, November 03, 2022

All Global Research articles can be read in 51 languages by activating the Translate Website button below the author’s name.
To receive Global Research’s Daily Newsletter (selected articles), click here.
Follow us on Instagram and Twitter and subscribe to our Telegram Channel. Feel free to repost and share widely Global Research articles.

In the wake of the controversies and heated debate generated in the wake of the referenda held last September in the regions of Donbass, it became necessary to get some clarity on the legal issues surrounding this event.​

A graduate of Harvard Law School, Dr. Alfred de Zayas served as the first UN Independent Expert on the Promotion of a Democratic and Equitable International Order, appointed by the United Nations Human Rights Council (2012-18). He worked with the United Nations from 1981 to 2003 as a senior lawyer with the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Secretary of the UN Human Rights Committee, and the Chief of Petitions.

Arnaud Develay: What is your analysis of the predicament facing Russian-speaking minorities living in the Donbass regions in the wake of the events of the Maidan? Could the actions of the Ukrainian government these past eight years be constitutive of an attempt to commit genocide on these populations?

Alfred de Zayas: The Russian population in Donbass certainly had reason to feel threatened in the light of the virulence of the anti-Russian rhetoric by the leaders of the Maidan coup and the anti-Russian legislation adopted by the putsch-Parliament.

The level of hatred expressed by politicians and media certainly constituted “hate speech” and violated article 20 of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR), which prohibits both propaganda for war and incitement to hatred and discrimination.

The shelling of population centers in Donbas 2014-2022 entailed war crimes and crimes against humanity, but did not amount to genocide for purposes of the 1948 Genocide Convention.

While Art. 2 of 1948 of the Genocide Convention has 5 categories, it does not include cultural genocide. It is wiser to avoid hyperbole. War crimes and crimes against humanity under articles 7 and 8 of the Statute of Rome are bad enough.

The right to speak one’s language is protected in articles 2 and 27 of the ICCPR. It is also protected in articles 2 and 15 of the International Covenant on Economic Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR) and numerous UN resolutions. Moreover, it constitutes a legitimate exercise of the right of freedom of expression under article 19 ICCPR.

Ukraine is certainly in violation of articles 19 and 27 ICCPR.

Moreover, Ukraine is in violation of common article 1 of the ICCPR and ICESCR, which stipulates the right of self-determination of ALL peoples, necessarily including the Russian populations of Crimea and Donbas. Art. 1 reads as follows:

www.globalresearch.ca

Donbass Self-Determination: Referenda and the Rights of Minorities. Analysis by UN Expert - Global Research

All Global Research articles can be read in 51 languages by activating the Translate Website button below the author’s name. To receive Global Research’s Daily Newsletter (selected articles), click here. Follow us on Instagram and Twitter and subscribe to our Telegram Channel. Feel free to...
www.globalresearch.ca www.globalresearch.ca
 
What's going on today? A happy political marriage!

Biden, Sunak renew vows. UK training secret army. Putin explains Kherson. Titanic Crimea stamp. U/1​

27m
 
pmbug said:
We might see the world through different glasses, but I'm actually a very easy going dude with a strong emotional keel. Abide the forum guidelines (especially the part about being respectful to people) and we're cool.
Click to expand...

And we so appreciated being called Putin cocksuckers by you. I guess your actual words were, "Putin knob slobbering." So family friendly and all.

What a warm welcome to new people who quickly financially supported this new place.

I understand you have swallowed the West's view of Russia. Fine. Whatever makes you feel good.

I'm not going to argue with anyone about the situation in Ukraine. The West wants to destroy and run roughshod over the Russian Federation. Anything less is not acceptable to the warmongers who control us. I will not approve of it nor applaud the bastards that have been financing this war. Folks who are so inclined can cuddle up to Lindsey Graham and the others who are waving their Ukraine flags. I won't be one of them.

The USA is on the wrong side of this Ukraine situation and I believe history will prove that to be true.

Just my two cents. Your mileage may vary.
.
 
Last edited:
SongSungAu said:
The West wants to destroy and run roughshod over the Russian Federation. Anything less is not acceptable to the warmongers who control us.
Click to expand...
They just overthrew Brazil and Israel's elections, as well as the 2020 US elections. I'm swagging here, but I'll bet that's why the EU is shit as well.

To deny it is ignoring reality. Putin is the ONLY leader attempting to kill the head of the snake.
 
got parts?

US Sending Moth-balled Gear to Ukraine as Russian Reinforcements Continue to Gather​

- US assistance to Ukraine increasingly depends on "refurbishing" antiquated weapons kept in storage as current inventories of weapons run low;
- Russian tanks continue to roll out of factories while those in storage are also being upgraded and deployed;
- British state media admits Ukraine faces difficulties in taking Kherson city;
- Russian forces continue preparing for protracted combat while Ukraine races against the clock in terms of energy, economics, and material support for combat operations

19m


and if you are fond of reading...

References:
US DoD - $400 Million in Additional Security Assistance for Ukraine (November 4, 2022): https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases...
Defense News - US, Netherlands go Dutch to refurbish Czech tanks for Ukraine: https://www.defensenews.com/pentagon/...
Dmitry Medvedev (Telegram) - Uralvagonzavod visit: https://t.me/medvedev_telegram/198
Defense Blog - Syrian Army receives the upgraded T-62M main battle tanks from Russia: https://defence-blog.com/syrian-army-...
Michael Kofman on Russian T-62s being brought out of storage: https://twitter.com/kofmanmichael/sta...
Military Watch Magazine - Building a Mechanised Corps for the Donbas: Why Russia is Modernising its T-62 Tanks For Re-Commissioning: https://militarywatchmagazine.com/art...
BBC - Russia-Ukraine war: At the front line of Ukraine's struggle for Kherson: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe...
 
Last edited:

Why WokeNATO has Suffered 800 K Casualties but Russians very Few: LANCET-3A by Kalashnikov is the Answer​

6m


By Col MacGregor PhD US Military Intelligence Senior Advisor to DOD Trump Admin: Excerpt: For the moment, Washington remains blind to these developments. Whether in print, radio, television, or online, the narrative is clear: despite horrific losses—at least 400,000 Ukrainian battlefield casualties including 100,000 soldiers killed in action—Ukrainian forces are winning.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/war-and-regrets-in-ukraine/

Col. Doug Macgregor: Woke NATO's human and material losses in Former Ukraine are Devastating


Larry Johnson CIA Analyst: Recent Russian Strikes Killed Hundreds of Woke NATO Advisors


Russian FOAB (Thermobaric Munition with 1 Mile Killing Radius) and Deagel Report.
https://thesaker.is/under-satans-banner/
..

ARMAGEDDON IS CLOSER THAN YOU THINK
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2022/10/25/armageddon-is-closer-than-you-think/
 
Here is a good interview with Martin Armstrong going into a bit of History on Putin. Really Putin came to power BECAUSE the Clinton's / Bankers were trying to take over Russia. That pretty much automatically makes him a long time enemy of these people. I would like to know which document he found on this and read a copy.

There May Not Be a 2024 Election – Martin Armstrong | Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog

By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com (Saturday Night Post) Legendary financial and geopolitical cycle analyst Martin Armstrong says, “The cheating in the midterm election next week is going to be so great that it is almost impossible to make a prediction. . . . In a fair midterm election, the...
usawatchdog.com usawatchdog.com
 
Voodoo said:
Here is a good interview with Martin Armstrong going into a bit of History on Putin. Really Putin came to power BECAUSE the Clinton's / Bankers were trying to take over Russia. That pretty much automatically makes him a long time enemy of these people. I would like to know which document he found on this and read a copy.

There May Not Be a 2024 Election – Martin Armstrong | Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog

By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com (Saturday Night Post) Legendary financial and geopolitical cycle analyst Martin Armstrong says, “The cheating in the midterm election next week is going to be so great that it is almost impossible to make a prediction. . . . In a fair midterm election, the...
usawatchdog.com usawatchdog.com
Click to expand...



the future of America in particular and the world in general does not look very promising according to Mr Armstrong
 
Voodoo said:
Or anyone? Seriously, does anyone see this ending well for America? Best case scenario is the Q style reset.
Click to expand...


there is a lot of hopium being passed around in the peace pipe and here is the blend:

- the Red Wave takes over the House and Senate
- Xiden is lame duck , gridlock for 2 years
- DJT wins general election and the world is saved for at least four more years

The End.
 
Voodoo said:
Here is a good interview with Martin Armstrong going into a bit of History on Putin. Really Putin came to power BECAUSE the Clinton's / Bankers were trying to take over Russia. That pretty much automatically makes him a long time enemy of these people. I would like to know which document he found on this and read a copy.

There May Not Be a 2024 Election – Martin Armstrong | Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog

By Greg Hunter’s USAWatchdog.com (Saturday Night Post) Legendary financial and geopolitical cycle analyst Martin Armstrong says, “The cheating in the midterm election next week is going to be so great that it is almost impossible to make a prediction. . . . In a fair midterm election, the...
usawatchdog.com usawatchdog.com
Click to expand...
Yet to read, but from what I recall... because of the downfall of the USSR there was 'opportunity' in the ensuing confusion and the oligarchs/mafia swept in like pirañas and basically "stole the store" leaving Russia and Russians poorer for the experience.

Putin is no friend of the oligarchs. He could care less that the west is stealing their yachts and accounts. The west is doing him a favor!
 
Biden says General Electric will go ALL electric by 3035!

WaPo, negotiate with Russia. NYT, Kiev evacuation. Ukraine warns Iran. Freeland tops NATO list. U/1​

41m
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom