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... Clearly you are on the side of the majority. ...

I am on the side of facts, logic and intellectual honesty. Unlike some of you, I'm not emotionally invested in any side. I don't believe youtubers and bloggers misrepresentation of facts (many of which I have pointed out though no one here seems to acknowledge it) just because it aligns with what I want to believe (that's that cognitive bias I keep talking about).

... The SAME side as Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Sean Hanity, like 90% of the Congress Critters and 99.9% of MSM. How does that make you feel?

Classic logical fallacy.

 
... Lies and misinformation are addressed within minutes by indy reporters ...

Your "indie reporters" are pushing Russian state propaganda. They work for Russian state media and in some cases are embedded with the Russian military. Who is kidding who here?
 
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I don’t see any evidence of that on the Russian side, but from 2014, we have seen it on the Ukrainian side.

You haven't been looking then. I don't post it here, because just like the tons of BS pushed by Russian propagandists, I have no way to verify whether video, audio etc. is staged/fake or real. That said, there are tons of examples of Russian soldiers on tape claiming that their Russian commanders committed war crimes directly, ordered them to commit war crimes and generally do evil shit. You aren't going to see it if you only follow Russian propagandists for your "news".
 
I am on the side of facts, logic and intellectual honesty. Unlike some of you, I'm not emotionally invested in any side. I don't believe youtubers and bloggers misrepresentation of facts (many of which I have pointed out though no one here seems to acknowledge it) just because it aligns with what I want to believe (that's that cognitive bias I keep talking about).



Classic logical fallacy.


It's no logical fallacy. You clearly agree with Joe Biden here, do you Not? Do you agree that we should be sending weapons and money to the Ukrainians?
 
victoria nuland testifying that there are bio labs in ukraine. and she says that it's a big deal because russia might get their hands on what's in those labs. ...

Yeah reading! (hint: it's addressed quite thoroughly by Russian scientists [not agents of the MSM NWO] in the first link).
 

2022.11.02 NATO'S New Tune: “Let's Get It On”​

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You haven't been looking then. I don't post it here, because just like the tons of BS pushed by Russian propagandists, I have no way to verify whether video, audio etc. is staged/fake or real. That said, there are tons of examples of Russian soldiers on tape claiming that their Russian commanders committed war crimes directly, ordered them to commit war crimes and generally do evil shit. You aren't going to see it if you only follow Russian propagandists for your "news".

So video and audio can be staged (of course they can especially with computers these days) but words are totally 100% truth. That is crazy you know, right?
 
"Don't sweat the small stuff, and it's all small stuff." In the grandest of all scheme of things, I think that is at least worth considering, and maybe even more....

Excellent advice. Funny thing how peeps can get all wrapped up in crazy stuff.

My god is better than your god. My politics are better than your politics. I'm right - you're wrong. Your posts are garbage mine are great.

Doom & gloom sells. Pain sells (as long as you ain't the one in pain.) Lies sell. And, depending on the audience, outright insanity sells. Most is clickbait designed to feed your head. Click here. No...........click here.

Have a computer? Have a cell phone? Internet access? Then yes.............yes you can be an army of one. Be all you can be. Let the world know that you.......yes you, have the answers to what's wrong on planet earth. Don't hide your light under a bushel. Let it shine.

Meanwhile the rich are getting richer, and the politicians are robbing you blind.

It's a big club and you aint in it. Just ask George.............




Little Lies (2002 Remaster) (3:39)

Excellent Mac tune. (y)
 
every liberation does not require an invasion

the liberation can come from within

The Eastern part of Ukraine has always been mostly Russian. They speak Russian not Ukrainian. They are essentially mostly Russian ethnicity. And yes, the western part of Ukraine essentially hates Russia, it's been a long history. The borders decided long ago were to punish Russia but really just hurt the Russians that got put on the wrong side of said arbitrary border.
 
... what they're doing in those labs is considered against the law in the US.

What proof do you have to support your claim that anything done in Ukrainian labs would have been illegal in the States? If your comment is based upon Russian accusations, you really need to check your cognitive bias and read through the debunking that the Russian scientists (again, not MSM NWO, CIA NSA tools) shared in the link I provided previously (and again below):


Then you really need to read through the "biolabs as propaganda ploy" work that @searcher shared here for much needed context on the big picture (hint: this playbook has been used before):

 
It's no logical fallacy. You clearly agree with Joe Biden here, do you Not? ...

Don't read the link or understand my post. Double down on the logic fallacy. Bold strategy!
 
Says the propagandists. Show some proof.

I have already done it here in this thread and separately here (so it wouldn't get lost):

 
Don't read the link or understand my post. Double down on the logic fallacy. Bold strategy!

I'm not trying to make you feel bad but I want to know how you feel about siding with Joe Biden or Sean Hanity for that matter? Or just tell us whether or not you support sending Billions and arms to fight the Russian "invasion".

Another common deflection tactic with smart sounding mumbo jumbo. It is still a completely valid argument.
 
What proof do you have to support your claim that anything done in Ukrainian labs would have been illegal in the States? If your comment is based upon Russian accusations, you really need to check your cognitive bias and read through the debunking that the Russian scientists (again, not MSM NWO, CIA NSA tools) shared in the link I provided previously (and again below):


Then you really need to read through the "biolabs as propaganda ploy" work that @searcher shared here for much needed context on the big picture (hint: this playbook has been used before):


Oh sure, let me get you that flyer on the USSA's illegal bioweapons technology. I'm sure they publish it on the front page of a website somewhere.
 
I'm not trying to make you feel bad ...
If you want to engage with me, it needs to be a two way street. I answer people who engage with me honestly. If you choose to ignore everything I post - especially comments directed directly to you, I don't feel any responsibility to respond to your demands. Tell me what my logical fallacy response means with respect to your now triple down request and I'll be inclined to engage with you again.
 
If you want to engage with me, it needs to be a two way street. I answer people who engage with me honestly. If you choose to ignore everything I post - especially comments directed directly to you, I don't feel any responsibility to respond to your demands. Tell me what my logical fallacy response means with respect to your now triple down request and I'll be inclined to engage with you again.

So you just don't want to answer the question. Got it. All in on the war efforts.
 
Your "indie reporters" are pushing Russian state propaganda. They work for Russian state media and in some cases are embedded with the Russian military. Who is kidding who here?
I haven't seen any paycheck stubs from the Russian state that prove your assertion that you so deftly 'prove' using that forthright source wikipedia. In fact all the videographers seem to appreciate the financial support that viewers give them. The really odd part is how they've been tried in abstentia by their own countries for their reporting, bank accounts seized, effects confiscated, yet our own media, which you'd have to have been living under a rock to have missed it, lies to us daily and has for decades. Then again there is the theft of anything 'Russian' by the west from Russian citizens. Yachts for one. Totally illegal. So, exactly who is breaking the law here??

I have heard the people being interviewed by Patrick Lancaster however. These are not sophisticated "California type" people. Neither is he when it comes to reporting. He's kind of dorky in that respect. Learning as he goes. He is getting better though.

The Ukrainian people are simple country folks. These interviews are not scripted. They are from the heart. These folks are like Appalachian mountain people without the mountains. Missing teeth, tattered clothes. Some don't want to be interviewed because they fear retribution from the Ukrainian side - who have a kill list btw. The nature of the front line is that each side comes and goes. If you have a white armband when the Ukrainians advance you might get dead. Blue armbands showed you were Ukrainian friendly.

Nobody has to view the videos. I realize folks want to read text, but videos by their very nature are not 'readable'. We all know text is unemotional. You don't get feelings in texts and sometimes it is misconstrued because there are no feelings other than stupid emojis and LOLZ. :ROFLMAO: :p:oops::LOL:(y)o_O

In these 'highly suspect' videos I've seen where the Ukrainians staged a street with cars and dead bodies blaming the Russians for a massacre after they left. It had been 3 or 4 days since they moved out. How do I know it was staged other than that was the point of the video? If one knows anything about dead bodies they would know that rigor mortis sets in and bloating. There was none of this apparent in the video. It was all over MSM. The evil Russian soldiers killed civilians! The other 'error' was they didn't remove the white armbands. Now ask yourself why would the Russians be shooting friendlies? Why would Russia bomb the nuclear plant they have confiscated? Why would Russia blow up Nordstream II? It defies logic to believe any of that nonsense.

Then there are the fake news stories of bombing hospitals and schools all made up to blame Russia. Never mind that the people being interviewed were saying the Ukrainians were setting up and firing artillery in those areas which naturally got the intended response. The people also said the Ukies were shooting buildings with tank fire. Remember? The west calls the east 'separatists'? It's akin to calling Japanese '<redacted - see forum guidelines on epithets>s', or Germans 'krauts' etc. They don't care if they live. They also have been bombing the Donbas and Luhansk for 8 years, but somehow that fact is missed in the analysis. Only about 15,000 killed so far!

If Russia was truly fomenting war the would have taken out the electric grid, communications, sanitation right from the start, just like we did in Iraq. That is how war is fought. You destroy infrastructure making it impossible for society to exist. Kiev is still standing. Power is on, water is flowing etc.

There is a reason Putin said this was a SMO. International Law. Funny thing is he's actually following it unlike the west. Declaring 'war' is another legal term that causes all manner of actions to happen.

If you all are so 'read happy' I suggest you read every one of Putin's speeches for starters. I think you will see a different Putin once you do. If a picture is worth a thousand words, a video is worth a million or more!


What everyone seems to be missing is the reason for this political charade. We've all heard and seen snippets of it over the years. They have told us what their plan is. It's all over this site even.

The BIG picture: The Great Reset.

Getting rid of Trump was the reason for Covid. Upsetting the natural order of things, i.e., civilization, was accomplished using a made up disease. Oh sure, there is a sickness that was released upon the world. We now know it was a manufactured bio weapon. I've read where it was started in N. Carolina (?) and Obama said 'that violates US law' (he didn't want that jacket on his back) so they took it offshore (Ukraine) where it ended up in Wuhan - Who better to demonize than the Chinese? A virus scare ensued like never before for a 98% survivable disease.

If you've been paying attention you all know the hospitals were following a protocol from the WHO (look up Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus the guy who runs that operation). Also, again... watching videos check out Amazing Polly on bitchute and her fantastic digs into PEPFAR, Bill & Melinda Gates foundation, GAVI, Fauci, and all the interconnecting webs of funding and who is on who's board of directors. It would require weeks of writing to cover what she does in 40 minutes and it's not just ONE video. More like 20.

The phony PCR test that was run out to 40X. The inventor of the PCR just 'happened' to die in 2019. The President of Tanzania John Magufuli sent PCR samples that he had randomly assigned human names and ages to a Tanzanian lab. One test was from a goat. The other was from a paw paw, a fruit. They 'tested' positive for Covid! He refused the jab for all of Tanzania. He died 5 weeks later of a 'heart attack'. In fact 2 other African leaders met a similar fate for refusing the jab for their people. Ever hear of the 'heart attack gun'?

Trump upset the NWO applecart. She was supposed to win. Their 16 year plan was 8 years of Obama (confiscation of the 2nd Amendment - he failed), then 8 years of Hillary who would get us into a nuclear war with... of all nations Russia! Imagine that!! This 'war' would be one the US would lose. Nations that lose wars also lose their Constitution! How do I know this? Remember naval ships running into other ships? Are we that sloppy? No, but when Hillary has a private server feeding top secret intel to whomever donated to her foundation it's not a stretch to figure out they acquired access codes to ships GPS logs and locations. It would be a simple task to hack in and alter it.

Then there was Hillary's 'sale' of 1/4 of US uranium to Russia known as Uranium 1. Turns out that U1 has a unique marker (as does all uranium produced) that identifies the batch. It so happens that 'No Name' (John McCain) took a canister of THAT U1 to Iran who was manufacturing a nuke in Syria (remember? Trump blew that operation up?) Imagine having a nuclear device that could be set off in say Ukraine...? The unique marker would implicate Russia! You'd have instant war and not just the US, the WHOLE WORLD would be behind taking Russia out for using a nuke in Ukraine. That WAS the plan if not for Trump turning the tables on the Deep State NWO by daring to run AND win the POTUS! I think certain parts of the military were backing him. Remember "Do you know what this is? The calm before the storm?"

Then there is Jon Herold, who uses the nom de guerre Patel Patriot. If you are hell bent on reading this is right up your alley!
Jon has the unique ability to suss out in great detail from published sources what he calls Patel Patriot’s Devolution Series enjoy! Therein you will learn what he thinks is really going on behind the scenes of MSM political obfuscation. I think he's up to #24 now?

Are you starting to see the big picture? It's always been Russia Russia Russia! Beginning with 'Russia helped Trump get into office'. The $40 million Mueller investigation that was a total farce - actually it was to cover up their criminal activities. The fake Steele Dossier? That and the Alpha Bank hoax were proven in court under oath by Durham was paid for by Hillary in opposition to Trump. The corruption of the FBI at the highest levels? It's an invasion by infiltration, not head to head combat.

In the past wars were fought by first dehumanizing the opposition using the media to get the people to support a war, but today the internet makes fooling the populace much much harder.

I could go on for the rest of the day enlightening those who haven't been paying attention as I have, but I have to do what I've been doing for the past 20 years... researching the above!

So with all due respect, don't be telling me I don't know what I'm talking about especially when you all are late to the party.

You got a LOT of catching up to do!
 
Addendum

Why War?

Because the fiat petro dollar system is crashing and they need a war to reset the system. They ALWAYS use wars to reset the system. Ron Paul stated "All wars are banker's wars." and he is correct. Even Andrew Jackson was against the bankers! That's how long they've been in control In fact the Founding Fathers wrote the Constitution because of what they witnessed in Europe - the control of banking dynasties. The sinking of the Titanic took out the opposition to the Federal Reserve which gave the international bankers control over the finances of the greatest nation in history. Debt is slavery. It's the 'tool' they use to subjugate nations. I want the Earth plus 5% read all about it.

Follow the money on your journey through history and you will discover the reasons things are the way they are today!

The system should have reset in 2008, but they kicked the can down the road. Why? I think they wanted TOTAL control over humanity. The Georgia Guidestones was the plan and covid was how they implemented it.

The inscription read:[2][23]
  1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
  2. Guide reproduction wisely – improving fitness and diversity.
  3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
  4. Rule passion – faith – tradition – and all things with tempered reason.
  5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
  6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
  7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
  8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
  9. Prize truth – beauty – love – seeking harmony with the infinite.
  10. Be not a cancer on the Earth – Leave room for nature – Leave room for nature.
Have any of you 'seen' any of the above going on in society lately??
 
I haven't seen any paycheck stubs from the Russian state that prove your assertion that you so deftly 'prove' using that forthright source wikipedia. In fact all the videographers seem to appreciate the financial support that viewers give them. The really odd part is how they've been tried in abstentia by their own countries for their reporting, bank accounts seized, effects confiscated, yet our own media, which you'd have to have been living under a rock to have missed it, lies to us daily and has for decades. Then again there is the theft of anything 'Russian' by the west from Russian citizens. Yachts for one. Totally illegal. So, exactly who is breaking the law here??

I have heard the people being interviewed by Patrick Lancaster however. These are not sophisticated "California type" people. Neither is he when it comes to reporting. He's kind of dorky in that respect. Learning as he goes. He is getting better though.

The Ukrainian people are simple country folks. These interviews are not scripted. They are from the heart. These folks are like Appalachian mountain people without the mountains. Missing teeth, tattered clothes. Some don't want to be interviewed because they fear retribution from the Ukrainian side - who have a kill list btw. The nature of the front line is that each side comes and goes. If you have a white armband when the Ukrainians advance you might get dead. Blue armbands showed you were Ukrainian friendly.

Nobody has to view the videos. I realize folks want to read text, but videos by their very nature are not 'readable'. We all know text is unemotional. You don't get feelings in texts and sometimes it is misconstrued because there are no feelings other than stupid emojis and LOLZ. :ROFLMAO: :p:oops::LOL:(y)o_O

In these 'highly suspect' videos I've seen where the Ukrainians staged a street with cars and dead bodies blaming the Russians for a massacre after they left. It had been 3 or 4 days since they moved out. How do I know it was staged other than that was the point of the video? If one knows anything about dead bodies they would know that rigor mortis sets in and bloating. There was none of this apparent in the video. It was all over MSM. The evil Russian soldiers killed civilians! The other 'error' was they didn't remove the white armbands. Now ask yourself why would the Russians be shooting friendlies? Why would Russia bomb the nuclear plant they have confiscated? Why would Russia blow up Nordstream II? It defies logic to believe any of that nonsense.

Then there are the fake news stories of bombing hospitals and schools all made up to blame Russia. Never mind that the people being interviewed were saying the Ukrainians were setting up and firing artillery in those areas which naturally got the intended response. The people also said the Ukies were shooting buildings with tank fire. Remember? The west calls the east 'separatists'? It's akin to calling Japanese '<redacted - see forum guidelines on epithets>s', or Germans 'krauts' etc. They don't care if they live. They also have been bombing the Donbas and Luhansk for 8 years, but somehow that fact is missed in the analysis. Only about 15,000 killed so far!

If Russia was truly fomenting war the would have taken out the electric grid, communications, sanitation right from the start, just like we did in Iraq. That is how war is fought. You destroy infrastructure making it impossible for society to exist. Kiev is still standing. Power is on, water is flowing etc.

There is a reason Putin said this was a SMO. International Law. Funny thing is he's actually following it unlike the west. Declaring 'war' is another legal term that causes all manner of actions to happen.

If you all are so 'read happy' I suggest you read every one of Putin's speeches for starters. I think you will see a different Putin once you do. If a picture is worth a thousand words, a video is worth a million or more!


What everyone seems to be missing is the reason for this political charade. We've all heard and seen snippets of it over the years. They have told us what their plan is. It's all over this site even.

The BIG picture: The Great Reset.

Getting rid of Trump was the reason for Covid. Upsetting the natural order of things, i.e., civilization, was accomplished using a made up disease. Oh sure, there is a sickness that was released upon the world. We now know it was a manufactured bio weapon. I've read where it was started in N. Carolina (?) and Obama said 'that violates US law' (he didn't want that jacket on his back) so they took it offshore (Ukraine) where it ended up in Wuhan - Who better to demonize than the Chinese? A virus scare ensued like never before for a 98% survivable disease.

If you've been paying attention you all know the hospitals were following a protocol from the WHO (look up Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus the guy who runs that operation). Also, again... watching videos check out Amazing Polly on bitchute and her fantastic digs into PEPFAR, Bill & Melinda Gates foundation, GAVI, Fauci, and all the interconnecting webs of funding and who is on who's board of directors. It would require weeks of writing to cover what she does in 40 minutes and it's not just ONE video. More like 20.

The phony PCR test that was run out to 40X. The inventor of the PCR just 'happened' to die in 2019. The President of Tanzania John Magufuli sent PCR samples that he had randomly assigned human names and ages to a Tanzanian lab. One test was from a goat. The other was from a paw paw, a fruit. They 'tested' positive for Covid! He refused the jab for all of Tanzania. He died 5 weeks later of a 'heart attack'. In fact 2 other African leaders met a similar fate for refusing the jab for their people. Ever hear of the 'heart attack gun'?

Trump upset the NWO applecart. She was supposed to win. Their 16 year plan was 8 years of Obama (confiscation of the 2nd Amendment - he failed), then 8 years of Hillary who would get us into a nuclear war with... of all nations Russia! Imagine that!! This 'war' would be one the US would lose. Nations that lose wars also lose their Constitution! How do I know this? Remember naval ships running into other ships? Are we that sloppy? No, but when Hillary has a private server feeding top secret intel to whomever donated to her foundation it's not a stretch to figure out they acquired access codes to ships GPS logs and locations. It would be a simple task to hack in and alter it.

Then there was Hillary's 'sale' of 1/4 of US uranium to Russia known as Uranium 1. Turns out that U1 has a unique marker (as does all uranium produced) that identifies the batch. It so happens that 'No Name' (John McCain) took a canister of THAT U1 to Iran who was manufacturing a nuke in Syria (remember? Trump blew that operation up?) Imagine having a nuclear device that could be set off in say Ukraine...? The unique marker would implicate Russia! You'd have instant war and not just the US, the WHOLE WORLD would be behind taking Russia out for using a nuke in Ukraine. That WAS the plan if not for Trump turning the tables on the Deep State NWO by daring to run AND win the POTUS! I think certain parts of the military were backing him. Remember "Do you know what this is? The calm before the storm?"

Then there is Jon Herold, who uses the nom de guerre Patel Patriot. If you are hell bent on reading this is right up your alley!
Jon has the unique ability to suss out in great detail from published sources what he calls Patel Patriot’s Devolution Series enjoy! Therein you will learn what he thinks is really going on behind the scenes of MSM political obfuscation. I think he's up to #24 now?

Are you starting to see the big picture? It's always been Russia Russia Russia! Beginning with 'Russia helped Trump get into office'. The $40 million Mueller investigation that was a total farce - actually it was to cover up their criminal activities. The fake Steele Dossier? That and the Alpha Bank hoax were proven in court under oath by Durham was paid for by Hillary in opposition to Trump. The corruption of the FBI at the highest levels? It's an invasion by infiltration, not head to head combat.

In the past wars were fought by first dehumanizing the opposition using the media to get the people to support a war, but today the internet makes fooling the populace much much harder.

I could go on for the rest of the day enlightening those who haven't been paying attention as I have, but I have to do what I've been doing for the past 20 years... researching the above!

So with all due respect, don't be telling me I don't know what I'm talking about especially when you all are late to the party.

You got a LOT of catching up to do!

Excellent essay, I just don't do essay's though. Not my style. I'd love someone to explain how this area was being bombed for 8 years if its all Russia's fault.
 
And now, back to the war

Rumble cancels France. State media labels. Putin, grain deal warning. Elensky nuke obsessed. U/1​

38m
 
Censorship has been the purview of the west.... Why?

Screenshot 2022-11-03 at 9.46.49 AM.png
Rumble tells France to STICK IT!
 
The ever-thickening plot on the world theater

"It's done": realities of the hyper-transparent spy world​

Kim Dotcom: government secrets are only secret to ordinary people​


Alex Krainer
Nov 2

On Monday, 26 September 2022 someone blew up the Nord Stream pipeline system, built at Germany’s request, to deliver Natural Gas from Russia to Germany. For a number of reasons, some of which I articulated in the article, “Britain’s Secret Diplomacy and the European Wars,” I thought that Great Britain was probably the mastermind and one of the perpetrators behind the attacks. Again, not any legitimate British government organization, but some deep state networks within the British military and structures. I expressed this view in the podcast with Tom Luongo, published five days after the attacks.

The message was sent only one minute after the pipelines were destroyed. Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova demanded an explanation from the British government. Not surprisingly, the allegations were rejected on both sides of the Atlantic, with the UK Ministry of Defence claiming that the Russians were “peddling false claims on an epic scale.” Of course they are: we all know that we in the west are the good guys and that the Russians are evil and far too unsophisticated for any such feat, so that should settle the issue. Or maybe not - Putin does hack into other nations elections and switch votes at will...

If you’re not so sure about the western narrative anymore, please continue reading.

Demystifying cyber-intelligence

From the perspective of an average news flow consumer, it may seem weird that the Russians could hack into Liz Truss’ text messages, but the German-Finnish tech entrepreneur Kim Dotcom weighed in to demystify the world of cyber intelligence. In a tweet on 30 Oct, he wrote,

How do the Russians know that the UK blew up the North Stream pipelines in partnership with the US? Because @trussliz used her iPhone to send a message to @SecBlinken saying ‘It’s done’ a minute after the pipeline blew up and before anybody else knew? iCloud admin access rocks!”​

In yesterday’s thread, Dotcom elaborated further, adding some credibility to his viewpoint:

Read more:
 
I haven't seen any paycheck stubs from the Russian state that prove your assertion that you so deftly 'prove' using that forthright source wikipedia.

Is that supposed to be an intellectually honest response? Your indie reporters are producing content published by Russian state media. That's a statement of fact that is easily verified. Eva has collaborated with a Russian media employee (RT reporter IIRC). Also an easily proven fact. Patrick is embedded with the Russian military and has been caught staging/fabricating scenes for his video reporting. Also easily proven facts. I've already covered all this, but if you with to ignore it, that's on you. It's not honest though.

~~~

If Russia was truly fomenting war the would have taken out ...

Russia thought they were going to march in and take over the country in 3 days. They weren't trying to destroy infrastructure at start because they didn't expect the resistance they faced.

What the US did in Iraq was unconscionable. Two wrongs don't make a right.

~~~

If you all are so 'read happy' I suggest you read every one of Putin's speeches for starters. I think you will see a different Putin once you do. ...

I have skimmed through them. I just don't have a cognitive bias that interprets his words as gospel truth.

The BIG picture: The Great Reset.

Yeah, from what I have seen and had time to investigate so far, a lot of the "news" that informs the common big picture amongst some of you is misconstrued at best and outright bullshit at worst. I have addressed numerous instances like this in the forum.

This is one of the huge problems I see where cognitive bias (ie. you want it to be true) shuts down critical thinking (. ie you don't do any due diligence analyzing primary sources). I'm using "you" in a general sense here, not specific to you Goldhedge.
 
Is that supposed to be an intellectually honest response? Your indie reporters are producing content published by Russian state media. That's a statement of fact that is easily verified. Eva has collaborated with a Russian media employee (RT reporter IIRC). Also an easily proven fact. Patrick is embedded with the Russian military and has been caught staging/fabricating scenes for his video reporting. Also easily proven facts. I've already covered all this, but if you with to ignore it, that's on you. It's not honest though.

Repeating the same thing over and over still doesn't make it fact. By your logic, any US Reporters that talked with a local Ukrainian are also propagandists because they worked with the state.

Stop attacking the "source" and dig just a bit deeper into actual data.

Also, Who has been bombing Donbass for 8 years?
 
Well, I might dig it up, but it was widely reported that we moved bio labs to Wuhan because around 2012 -2014 a law was passed against gain of function research here. I imagine we did the same in the Ukraine and other places.
 
Excellent essay, I just don't do essay's though. Not my style. I'd love someone to explain how this area was being bombed for 8 years if its all Russia's fault.

8 years and 17,000 people dead in the Donbas region , blame goes on cia backed deviant maggot Zelenski , depending on who’s rag one reads

those regions that recently had a referendum and are now part of Russia have been liberated and are now defending their homeland with the help of Russia

Mission Accomplished
 
8 years and 17,000 people dead in the Donbas region , blame goes on cia backed deviant maggot Zelenski , depending on who’s rag one reads

those regions that recently had a referendum and are now part of Russia have been liberated and are now defending their homeland with the help of Russia

Mission Accomplished

That is the logical conclusion. Still waiting to hear from the Russia = bad man crowd.
 
News update with a maritime bend.

Black Sea Grain | Drone Attack on Sevastopol | Russia is Out & Then Back | Attack on Ukrainian Tugs What's Going on With Shipping?
November 3, 2022

In this episode, Sal Mercogliano - maritime historian at Campbell University and former merchant mariner - discusses Russia's decision to withdraw from the Black Sea Grain Initiative and then their return. The background of this was the Unmanned Surface and Aerial Vehicle attacks on the port of Sevastopol on Oct 29, 2022 by the Ukrainians,. The Russians initially believed the attack was staged from a grain convoy but a subsequent investigation determined it came from the port of Ochakiev, leading to the attack on a pair of commercial tugs and barges, which may be the means by which the Ukrainians deployed the drones.


15 mins 47 secs

00:00 Introduction 01:35 Background - Attack on Russia's Black Sea Fleet 06:22 Black Sea Grain Initiative 08:22 Russia Attacks Two Ukrainian Tugboats 11:48 Can the War in the Black Sea Expand? 13:26 Conclusion

 
Is that supposed to be an intellectually honest response? Your indie reporters are producing content published by Russian state media. That's a statement of fact that is easily verified. Eva has collaborated with a Russian media employee (RT reporter IIRC). Also an easily proven fact. Patrick is embedded with the Russian military and has been caught staging/fabricating scenes for his video reporting. Also easily proven facts. I've already covered all this, but if you with to ignore it, that's on you. It's not honest though.

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Russia thought they were going to march in and take over the country in 3 days. They weren't trying to destroy infrastructure at start because they didn't expect the resistance they faced.

What the US did in Iraq was unconscionable. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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I have skimmed through them. I just don't have a cognitive bias that interprets his words as gospel truth.



Yeah, from what I have seen and had time to investigate so far, a lot of the "news" that informs the common big picture amongst some of you is misconstrued at best and outright bullshit at worst. I have addressed numerous instances like this in the forum.

This is one of the huge problems I see where cognitive bias (ie. you want it to be true) shuts down critical thinking (. ie you don't do any due diligence analyzing primary sources). I'm using "you" in a general sense here, not specific to you Goldhedge.
Sorry but I just cannot let this go.

I would really like to see any evidence to prove your belief that:

"Russia thought they were going to march in and take over the country in 3 days. They weren't trying to destroy infrastructure at start because they didn't expect the resistance they faced."

I have heard/seen this irresposible statement parroted so many times, many must actually believe it. Search as I may though, I have not been able to find any evidence that this statement accurately reflects Russian strategy at any point. In fact there is documented evidence to the contrary, but it comes from Russian "connected" sources, so there is zero probability that it could be true, I know.

I know,I know, anything that comes out of the Russain Gov't, Putin, the press, people on the ground, etc. is de facto a lie so the opinion about Russia's strategy is defacto truth, unless of course you actually do have access to, and can produce verified authentic Russian Strategy documents/plans for the SMO. Sorry, I'm a data professional that understands alot about data, and when the point of the origin of data cannot be verified as accurate and of high integrity, meh. You're just another man with an opinion.
 
We going to just keep repeating bs until folks believe it?
That seems to be a two-way street here?

To denigrate and dismiss Kim Dotcom as an "All-round conspiracy boy" takes class. He probably is on Russia's payroll too...

So far, I've caught the west spewing more propaganda than the east. You can start with censoring RT from the gitgo. Why?

That act speaks volumes.

Then there are the rest of social media - who like the hammer boys we now know is in bed with the government, who even has a 'portal' into those media sites to ban ANYONE who poses a viewpoint that doesn't fit the west's narrative: "Putin is bad man".

We could just post western propaganda if that's what you desire?

I figure posting the east's 'propaganda' is a counterbalance to the censorship we're already blessed with by our own government. In that way, folks can make up their own minds about what constitutes truth? A novel concept I'm sure for many since they never had that choice to begin with.

I've given my interpretation. Sadly, it's not peer reviewed. It's more of a 'seat-of-the-pants' in the trenches, "I see smoke, assume there's fire" common sense viewpoint. An anecdotal survival-of-the-fittest common man's approach to reality. It's what got the pioneers across the Great Plains to make this country what it is today (before it was commandeered elsewise).

Word of advice to the naysayers here: Whenever someone says 'Conspiracy theorist'? That's the time you shuck off those mental chains and start digging deeper into what they obviously do NOT want you to know - then make up your own mind.
 
I would really like to see any evidence to prove your belief that:

"Russia thought they were going to march in and take over the country in 3 days. They weren't trying to destroy infrastructure at start because they didn't expect the resistance they faced."
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It was the rhetoric coming from Russia since the start of the invasion.



I posted a tweet from Julia not too long ago (feel free to search back through my posts) where it was repeated (and lamented) on a Russian talk show.
 
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