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We're Being Pushed Toward Nuclear War On A Fiction: Notes From The Edge Of The Narrative Matrix

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We're being driven toward nuclear war on the completely fictional claim that Putin is a Hitler-like megalomaniac who's just invading countries completely unprovoked, solely because he is evil and hates freedom, and won't stop invading and conquering until he's stopped by force.​
The news media aren't telling people about the western aggressions which led to this war. They're not telling people the US is keeping this war going with the stated goal of weakening Russia and is rejecting peace talks and refusing to push for peace. All people are being told is that Putin is another Hitler who won't listen to reason and only understands violence. The world's two nuclear superpowers are being pushed closer and closer to direct military confrontation based on a complete fiction which omits mountains of facts.​
To participate in this madness is indefensible. It is indefensibly immoral to foist a fictional version of events upon a trusting populace in order to manufacture consent for more and more aggressive acts of brinkmanship with a nuclear superpower. These people are depraved.​
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And American people are too lazy to ferret out the facts. Too stupid to think about anything but advertising slogans and wrap music.

They'd rather believe that BLM, Boys becoming girls, Trannies are good for business, Pedofilia is just natural, and Defund the POPO is for our own good.
 

TurkStream sabotage, cui bono? Borrell, EU garden in a jungle. Musk, Pentagon pay for Starlink. U/1​

 
Ivory (project veritas) does deep dive w journalist in Ukraine.

This is why a lot of us prefer Putin to Zelinsky.
 
I believe that to be the case... of course lest we forget, all Politicians come from neighboring States....
I do admit I am in a state with wack-ass Mitch "the Corporate B!tch"McConnell.
The Turtle lost my vote for over a decade ago.
 
Ivory (project veritas) does deep dive w journalist in Ukraine.

This is why a lot of us prefer Putin to Zelinsky.
Thanks for posting that video.

Ivory Hecker was a Fox reporter in Houston. She was fired in June, 2021 for revealing the bias & corruption at the Fox network. She spoke up about HCQ, etc.
George Eliason moved to Ukraine in 2009 (his wife is from there. She had had a couple heart attacks and wanted to be near her family again).


Last words in the video (at approximately the 58:18 mark):
Ivory Hecker: "Biden cares more about Ukraine's border than the USA border. And that concerns me."
George Eliason: "It's graft. It's graft. It should concern you. It concerns me."
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Neocons admit Russian economy recovering, Putin warns price cap bad idea​

 

What Russians Think About Russia Attacking Every Ukrainian city​

 

Time To Get Mobilized! Musk Discovers Ukranian Hitlist 'Myrotvorets'.​

 

Putin, Kiev pullout killed peace deal. Sweden shuts down NS investigation. Musk makes hit list. U/1​

 
Okay here's a break from war.

Dovydas (David) does street performances. I stumbled across one of his videos today of him playing in Nashville, TN. I got hooked and have watched quite a few of his YouTube videos today. He performs and his wife films him and the audience. From his English, I thought he was from here until I heard him tell someone in one of the videos that he's from another country. In another video I learned he's from Lithuania but he has lived in Florida for the last 9 or 10 years. He's obviously an extremely gifted musician.

Anyway, the point of this post. These two videos are filmed in St. Armands Circle in Sarasota, Florida. They brought joy to my heart.

In the first one, a lady asked him to play Hotel California. He said no, he wouldn't play that song. She tried pleading with him, saying everyone plays Hotel California. He replied that's why he won't play it. LOL! She wasn't pleased. One of her friends called out a song and she told him. He asked her about it and she said she didn't have her phone so couldn't look it up. There was some discussion and he asks where she's from. Then he says something to her in Russian. She was surprised. They converse in Russian. It was funny.

When Russians Request a Song (6 min 00 sec):​

Published on Jun 8, 2021 by DØVYDAS​


A Ukrainian man comes up to him and they chat. Dovydas said the languages are different but he does know a Ukranian song. He plays it and the Ukranian guy breaks out in dance. He then plays another Russian song. It is another neat video.

This Ukrainian Dancer Steals The Show When His Wife Requests Russian Songs (9 min 32 sec):​

Published on Nov 4, 2021 by DØVYDAS​
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Ukraine Targets Elon Musk, US Aid Dwindles, Ukraine's Offensive Increasingly Depleted​

 
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Ukraine Puts Elon Musk on Secret Service’s ‘Kill List’

The tech billionaire has been put on the Myrotvorets (Peacemaker) website list as an enemy of Ukraine for calling for a ceasefire between Kyiv and Moscow.

The website saw such a backlash, it reportedly pulled Musk from the site citing a “mistake.”

Other high-profile names on Ukraine’s so-called “kill list” include Hungary’s PM Viktor Orban and former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger.

Just a Nazi state with a literal “kill list” — better cut another billion-dollar check…

Join @ResistorNewswire (https://t.me/ResistorNewswire) against censorship

 
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They have no creativity and can only recycle the same narratives that have proven to be false over and over again.


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The Hidden Truth about the War in Ukraine​

August 1, 2022 Jacques Baud

The cultural and historical elements that determine the relations between Russia and Ukraine are important. The two countries have a long, rich, diverse, and eventful history together.

This would be essential if the crisis we are experiencing today were rooted in history. However, it is a product of the present. The war we see today does not come from our great-grandparents, our grandparents or even our parents. It comes from us. We created this crisis. We created every piece and every mechanism. We have only exploited existing dynamics and exploited Ukraine to satisfy an old dream: to try to bring down Russia. Chrystia Freeland’s, Antony Blinken’s, Victoria Nuland’s and Olaf Scholz’s grandfathers had that dream; we realized it.

The way we understand crises determines the way we solve them. Cheating with the facts leads to disaster. This is what is happening in Ukraine. In this case the number of issues is so enormous that we will not be able to discuss them here. Let me just focus on some of them.

Did James Baker make Promises to Limit Eastward Expansion of NATO to Mikhail Gorbachev in 1990?

In 2021, NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg stated that “there was never a promise that NATO would not expand eastward after the fall of the Berlin Wall.” This claim remains widespread among self-proclaimed experts on Russia, who explain that there were no promises because there was no treaty or written agreement. This argument is a bit simplistic and false.

It is true that there are no treaties or decisions of the North Atlantic Council (NAC) that embody such promises. But this does not mean that they have not been formulated, nor that they were formulated out of casualness!

Today we have the feeling that having “lost the Cold War,” the USSR had no say in the European security developments. This is not true. As a winner of the Second World War, the USSR had a de jure a veto right over German reunification. In other words, Western countries had to obtain its agreement, in exchange for which Gorbachev demanded a commitment to the non-expansion of NATO. It should not be forgotten that in 1990 the USSR still existed, and there was no yet question to dismantle it, as the referendum of March 1991 would show. The Soviet Union was therefore not in a weak position and could prevent the reunification.

This was confirmed by Hans-Dietrich Genscher, the German Foreign Minister, in Tutzing (Bavaria) on 31 January 1990, as reported in a cable from the U.S. embassy in Bonn:

Genscher warned, however, that any attempt to expand [NATO’s] military reach into the territory of the German Democratic Republic (GDR) would block German reunification.

German reunification had two major consequences for the USSR: the withdrawal of the Group of Soviet Forces in Germany (GSFG), the most powerful and modern contingent outside its territory, and the disappearance of a significant part of its protective “glacis.” In other words, any move would be at the expense of its security. This is why Genscher stated:

…The changes in Eastern Europe and the process of German unification should not “undermine Soviet security interests.” Therefore, NATO should exclude an “expansion of its territory to the East, i.e. to get closer to the Soviet borders.”

At this stage, the Warsaw Pact was still in force and the NATO doctrine was unchanged. Therefore Mikhail Gorbachev expressed very soon his legitimate concerns for USSR national security. This is what prompted James Baker, the American Secretary of State, to immediately begin discussions with him. On 9 February 1990, in order to appease Gorbachev’s concerns, Baker declared:

Not only for the Soviet Union but also for other European countries, it is important to have guarantees that if the United States maintains its presence in Germany within the framework of NATO, not one inch of NATO’s current military jurisdiction will spread eastward.

Promises were thus made simply because the West had no alternative, to obtain the USSR’s approval; and without promises Germany would not have been reunified. Gorbachev accepted German reunification only because he had received assurances from President George H.W. Bush and James Baker, Chancellor Helmut Kohl and his Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher, British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, her successor John Major and their Foreign Minister Douglas Hurd, President François Mitterrand, but also from CIA Director Robert Gates and Manfred Wörner, then Secretary General of NATO.

Thus, on 17 May 1990, in a speech in Brussels, Manfred Wörner, NATO Secretary-Geenral, declared:

The fact that we are prepared not to deploy a NATO army beyond German territory gives the Soviet Union a solid guarantee of security.

In February 2022, in the German magazine Der Spiegel, Joshua Shifrinson, an American political analyst, revealed a declassified SECRET document of March 6, 1991, written after a meeting of the political directors of the foreign ministries of the United States, Great Britain, France and Germany. It reports the words of the German representative, Jürgen Chrobog:

We made it clear in the 2+4 negotiations that we would not extend NATO beyond the Elbe. Therefore, we cannot offer NATO membership to Poland and the others.

The representatives of the other countries also accepted the idea of not offering NATO membership to the other Eastern European countries.
So, written record or not, there was a “deal,” simply because a “deal” was inevitable. Now, in international law, a “promise” is a valid unilateral act that must be respected (“promissio est servanda“). Those who deny this today are simply individuals who do not know the value of a given word.

Did Vladimir Putin disregard the Budapest Memorandum (1994)

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2 weeks at best for Ukraine to win an advantage

Foreigners in Ukraine ordered to evacuate. WaPo says military morale low. Expensive EU wood. U/1​

 

Donbass: Frontline Special Reportage (By Lysychansk)​

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MSM Confirms Ukraine Crisis in Bakhmut; Ukraine Kherson Defeat; Putin Makes Hint of End of Ukraine​

 
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🇺🇦 Ukrainian intelligence officers group was captured near the Svatovo




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A friend notes: "I wouldn't call those guys intelligence officers. They're rather reconnaissance officers and soldiers, militarily speaking."
 
Alex covers the Ukraine situation from Greece the best of most indy reporters...

Russia's kamikaze drones. Protests, France & Moldova. Libya propaganda recycled. U/1​

 
Alex's analysis of the Ukraine situation

Ukraine Admits Crisis Bakhmut, Russian Drones Strike Ukraine, Musk Tweets Russia Jamming of Starlink​

 
This video describes the military situation in Ukraine on the 17th of October

Ukraine. Military Summary And Analysis 17.10.2022​

 
Patrick Lancaster is the only reporter on the ground at the front reporting what's been going on over there. He's an indy reporter exposing the MSM lies about Ukraine. He gets the facts right from the people.

Hint... turn on CC so you can read the translations

The take away I get from his videos is the simplicity of the people. No pretense from the people. They explain from their perspective what's been going on since the 2014 coup. The people aren't enamored by fancy titles and station.

Center Kyiv Hit By Russian Drone Strike "For Belgorod"? Special Report In Belgorod​

 
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"...For the last seven months, even though people in the west will never ever admit it, the truth is that President Putin has exercised enormous restraint with regard to the use of his military power.

We've never seen more than 20 percent of the Russian ground force in Ukraine and most of the regular Russian ground force was subsequently withdrawn after the first four months, during which the Ukrainian Army that we built over several years was largely destroyed.

...Mr. Putin and his advisor have all concluded there's no chance of negotiating an end to this conflict. I think he really clung to that hope even in the middle of April, when it was clear that we in London would not permit Zelensky and Kiev to make any sort of a compromise, to accept neutrality for instance. So now we're dealing with a different Russia, and what you saw yesterday in three waves were 202 missiles and loitering Munitions attacking specific targets all over Ukraine. This is something that they've always been able to do, they have the precision-guided munitions and missiles just as we do. This time, they not only hit so-called critical infrastructure, they also hit the secret police headquarters of the Ukrainian state--which is a notorious organization engaged in murdering people
and forcing people into enemy gunfire at gunpoint, recruiting at gunpoint--but they they also hit a number of analysts' cells, places where people are putting together intelligence pictures. In other words, they've signaled that there's nothing happening in Western
Ukraine that Moscow doesn't know about, and they've also say no there's nothing over there they can't reach and destroy.

So I think we're seeing a glimpse of what's going to happen later on this fall, which I I predict will be major offensives on the ground once the soil freezes. That's coming and this will be much closer to what a lot of us thought would happen at the very beginning: massive offenses designed to utterly annihilate what remains of the
Ukrainian Armed Forces.

...The Russian attacks also destroyed 80 percent of Ukrainian air defenses. Mr. Zelensky is in a panic, unquestionably. They've got serious logistical problems moving things around in the country. Suddenly Russia has decided enough is enough, we're not going to exercise the restraint we have in the past.

...Keep in mind that the so-called HIMAR system, which is this high mobility rocket system, is largely manned by so-called contractors, presumably that consists of Americans in civilian clothes working on contract for the Ukrainian government via some other mechanism that we've created, could also be Europeans...

Most of Ukraine's best forces are gone, they've been killed or wounded. Ukrainians have lost roughly a 100,000 dead, perhaps 200-400,000 wounded. They started out with an army of 600,000. Remember, we spent eight years building this army up with the express purpose of attacking Russia, that's what it was designed to do, that's why the Russians attacked it.

And ultimately we wanted to put missiles into eastern Ukraine, with which we could threaten Russia. So, again, eastern Ukraine had to be neutralized and that's why the Russians intervened. But the Russians, as I pointed out earlier, have always exercised great restraint, because first of all this is another Slavic country, another Orthodox Christian Slavic country, they're not interested in killing large numbers of people.

They didn't want to destroy a lot of infrastructure, the areas where Russian forces are sitting in southern and eastern Ukraine were already Russian. They simply wanted to guarantee equal rights for the Russians in Ukraine with other Ukrainian citizens. That was the
point of the Minsk agreements which were never honored.

...Once you move above the tactical level and you move up to what we would call division or core levels you find NATO staffs are actually running the show, in other words people from France, Great Britain, the United States, other countries are doing this
the systematic planning and setting forth proposals for what should happen next.

...The problem is for every one Russian killed or wounded, you have five, six, or seven Ukrainians being killed or wounded. So for the Russians, they've economized, they've run a fairly cheap, inexpensive, defense while the Ukrainians have run very expensive
offenses. So now Ukraine is in a very serious ,crisis it may not survive, particularly when this major offensive begins in November, December time frame . And the ground is frozen I don't know what the Ukrainians will do because then they will face the regular Russian army, large numbers of Russian army troops, not just volunteers and allied units, but the Russian army, and it will have the operational freedom to do what many Russians wanted to do at the beginning, which is anything that we suspect is dangerous or threatening to us can be targeted and destroyed. It'll be a very different war that's coming.

...Where will the Russians stop? I suspect they'll stop at the Dneipro river, they've never been interested in crossing that. They don't want to go into what is historically Ukraine, which is west of the river, that's where the Ukrainians live, they're not Russified, they are real Ukrainians. He doesn't want to go over there, but he's going to take Odessa, he's going to take Kharkov, these cities will be taken once and for all as a result of these offenses.

...As far as the Russians are concerned, Odessa has always been a Russian city, it was never part of Ukraine. The same thing is true for Kharkov. These were Russian cities from the very beginning and they were Russian speaking...."





 
Alex covers the Ukraine situation

Politico, EU weapons fund runs dry. Surovikin, complete surrender. Ukraine braces for blackouts. U/1​

 
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