Unrest in Israel (Hamas war)

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Let me rephrase that. The children are the innocents I am referring to. But if the kid is shooting at you fck him shoot him too.
 
Peter Bergen - CNN said:
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Certainly, the Hamas attacks in Israel were a surprise, just as 9/11 was, but it is premature to label it an intelligence failure. We don’t know yet what Israel’s intelligence agencies such as Shin Bet were saying about Hamas to Israeli policymakers, just as Americans had no idea what the CIA was saying to the Bush administration about al Qaeda’s intentions until at least a year after the 9/11 attacks had happened.

Blaming a lack of intelligence for policy failures is an easy dodge for government officials because, typically, the spy agencies can’t publicly defend themselves on the facts, which are often classified, and, in any event, they work for the policymakers.
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In her 1962 study, “Pearl Harbor: Warning and Decision,” Roberta Wohlstetter showed how when it came to the Japanese surprise attack on the US naval base on December 7, 1941, separating the “signals” from the “noise” was a lot easier after the fact, writing that, “After the event, of course, a signal is always crystal clear; we can now see what disaster it was signaling since the disaster has now occurred. But before the event, it is obscure and pregnant with conflicting meanings. It comes to the observer embedded in an atmosphere of ‘noise’, i.e., in all sorts of information that is useless and irrelevant for predicting the disaster.”
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The mistake the Israelis made 50 years ago, and the Bush administration made before 9/11, despite intelligence warnings, was to underestimate the capabilities of their nations’ enemies. We don’t know yet what the Netanyahu government was told, if anything, about a possible attack from Gaza, but given the large-scale nature of the attacks, it seems conceivable that there were some indications that an attack was coming.

Israelis will likely only find out if there is a real demand for timely accountability and if the Netanyahu government agrees to provide it.

For now, understandably, the Israelis are focused on the ongoing conflict. “We were surprised this morning,” Lt. Col. Richard Hecht, the international spokesperson for the Israeli Defense Forces, told CNN Saturday. “About failures, I prefer not to talk at this point right now. We’re in war. We’re fighting. I’m sure this will be a big question once this event is over.”

“I assume the intelligence question will be talked about down the road and we’ll learn what happened there.”

In so many “surprise” attacks, from Pearl Harbor to the Yom Kippur War to 9/11, it turns out that relevant intelligence generated by spy agencies was disseminated to policymakers, but it wasn’t heeded as it didn’t fit with the assumptions they had about the actual nature and scale of the threat.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opin...e-failure-the-hamas-attack-may-be/ar-AA1hVwAx

tl;dr - intelligence signal from noise is hard to differentiate with forward sight, trivial with hindsight.
 
searcher said:
abcnews.go.com

Exclusive: US to send 2nd aircraft carrier to eastern Mediterranean

The U.S. is sending a second aircraft carrier to the eastern Mediterranean to deter Iran and Lebanese Hezbollah from entering the Israel-Hamas conflict.
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www.pilotonline.com

5,000 sailors head to Mediterranean aboard USS Eisenhower: ‘It’s real now’

5,000 sailors deployed Saturday aboard the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower. The Eisenhower is the flagship of the Ike carrier strike group. It has long been scheduled to deploy this week to the Mediterran…
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pmbug said:
If the world didn't need their cheap oil, they might have done so already.
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No "might" about it. The ONLY reason "the "World" even started giving any attention to that part of the World, at least beyond that of a carnival side show, is because of the oil found there.

Edited to add:...and that is why Trump is right about wanting to build our production of oil here. We need to do whatever we can to help make the middle east's oil as irrelevant as possible. You do that by producing as much as possible in order to drive the price down. At $15 a barrel, they'll have more to worry about than fighting amongst themselves.
 
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Exactly! Corporate media speaks yet again!

Amazing how they all have the very same independent TALKING POINTS!

Never mind the 5 dancing Israelis, nor the white van they pulled over on the Brooklyn Bridge...

 
Skimming news headlines this morning and I see that:

- Israel is evacuating folks near Gaza and half the country's hotels are filled with evacuees/refugees.

- Israel is accusing Iran of ordering Hezbollah to attack their northern border

- China is weighing in publicly with statements critical of Israel's response

- China is telling their citizens to evacuate Israel

It looks like things are going to escalate this week.
 
www.military.com

The US Is Moving Quickly to Boost Israel's Military. A Look at What Assistance It's Providing

A look at what weapons and options the U.S. military could provide Israel.
www.military.com www.military.com

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Lotta $$$$$$$ being spent on defense contractors right now. Wonder how things will pan out with the Ukraine funding once the congress critters get a speaker? Will we continue to fund and supply both Israel and Ukraine or will Ukraine take a back seat? And there's always the possibility of the middle east going hot. If that were to happen would Red China try a run into Taiwan?
 
Lancers32 said:
Sounds like Nazi propaganda. You can't condone what Hamas did but there have to be a lot of innocent people in Gaza.


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Yep, they are the ones supporting Genocide.

And the important question is WHERE was the DEFENSE? They told us everything, this was Israel's 911. Which was totally a false flag and allowed to happen. So we know this was as well.

 

ISRAEL'S 9/11 IS A FALSE FLAG - THE HIDDEN HANDS BEHIND IT AND THEIR PLAN​

There can be no doubt that Israel and Hamas are one and the same, both funded by the Satanic, evil money changers. Same with every war, every conflict around the world, including Ukraine. Their plan is to create so much murder, chaos, instability, and fear that we will beg for them to save us. World subjugation and domination is their grand solution (illusion), a one world government. Go read Klaus Schwab's WEF website. The plan is out there in the open for all to see.

Their methods are lying, deception, fear, and chaos. They are designed to control our personal and collective minds. They have implanted the "liberal values and ideas" across western societies, in all of the churches and religions, and within our governing bodies with the intent to destroy our basic humanity and human values.

This is the primordial fight of good against evil. If enough people don't wake up and just say "NO" to evil, we a condemned to a life of slavery. The Scriptures call this Hell.
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Biden is in Israel. What for, will he accomplish anything?
 
searcher said:
Biden is in Israel. What for, will he accomplish anything?
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He left on the trip hoping to meet all the key players in the region, but the Arab leaders have rebuffed him so it looks like he is only going to meet with Bibi.
 
searcher said:
Biden is in Israel. What for, will he accomplish anything?
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Only if one thinks that making it worse could be considered as accomplishing something.

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up,” - Barack Obozo, 2020.
www.politico.com

‘The President Was Not Encouraging’: What Obama Really Thought About Biden

Behind the friendship was a more complicated relationship, which now drives the former vice president to prove his partner wrong.
www.politico.com www.politico.com

That pretty much sums up his "Presidency" so far.
 
Great interview

The risk of Armageddon | Paul Craig Roberts​

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President Reagan appointed Dr. Roberts Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and he was confirmed in office by the U.S. Senate. From 1975 to 1978, Dr. Roberts served on the congressional staff where he drafted the Kemp-Roth bill and played a leading role in developing bipartisan support for a supply-side economic policy. After leaving the Treasury, he served as a consultant to the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of Commerce.

Dr. Roberts has held academic appointments at Virginia Tech, Tulane University, University of New Mexico, Stanford University where he was Senior Research Fellow in the Hoover Institution, George Mason University where he had a joint appointment as professor of economics and professor of business administration, and Georgetown University where he held the William E. Simon Chair in Political Economy in the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

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Protesters inside capital calling for cease fire in middle east. Arrest being made.
 
Israel isn't a homogenous unit. You only have to go back to the start of this thread to see how divided the country was with Bibi's government.
 
Launched from Yemen? They still have missiles after fighting with Saudi Arabia for the last few years?
 

Facing the terrifying Hamas tunnels under Gaza​


5:43

An urban warfare expert says Hamas' tunnels under Gaza would be a "nightmare" for Israeli forces.
John Spencer, a retired US Army Major who is now chair of Urban Warfare Studies at Madison Policy Forum, believes if Israel was to launch a ground campaign, Hamas would use its tunnels both defensively and offensively, with any Hamas military capability that survives Israel's air campaign mostly deep underground.
In this video, Mr Spencer tells Forces News that Israeli forces could expect to face a wide range of challenges, "not knowing truly what's in all those tunnels".
More: https://www.forces.net/middle-east/ha...
 
Goldhedge said:
Exactly! Corporate media speaks yet again!

Amazing how they all have the very same independent TALKING POINTS!

Never mind the 5 dancing Israelis, nor the white van they pulled over on the Brooklyn Bridge...

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gcaptain.com

Can Israel's Lifeline To Oil Survive?

Israel's Eilat-Ashkelon pipeline is a critical lifeline amidst the Hamas conflict. Dive into the historical backdrop, evolving oil import dynamics, and the challenges posed by global energy infrastructure threats during war.
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Hmmm, all is not well in paradise...



🇺🇲 A revolt is brewing at the State Department over US policy in the Middle East.

This is reported by the Huffington Post.

It is reported that US diplomatic officials are preparing an appeal to their leadership criticizing the position that Washington has taken on the issue of worsening the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

The initiators of the appeal consider US policy to be one-sided - in favor of Israel while ignoring the suffering of Palestinian civilians.

Participants in the petition also complain that Secretary of State Blinken and his advisers are not addressing "widespread domestic discontent." According to another State Department official, a rebellion is brewing in the department at all levels.
 

IDF spokesperson: 'We have no choice but to succeed' in Gaza​

Oct 20, 2023


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ABC News' Phil Lipof spoke with IDF spokesperson Major Doron Spielman about the two freed American hostages, the effort to rescue remaining hostages, and the impact of a potential ground invasion.
 
pmbug said:
Skimming news headlines this morning and I see that:

- Israel is evacuating folks near Gaza and half the country's hotels are filled with evacuees/refugees.

- Israel is accusing Iran of ordering Hezbollah to attack their northern border

- China is weighing in publicly with statements critical of Israel's response

- China is telling their citizens to evacuate Israel

It looks like things are going to escalate this week.
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Too little, too late. Israel should have cleaned house starting two days after the event.
 
From the link:

Israel's version of the FBI has reportedly launched a new unit dedicated to tracking down and killing every Hamas terrorist who took part in the surprise Oct. 7 attacks from Gaza.

The Israel Security Agency, known as Shin Bet, established a new unit known as NILI, an acronym in Hebrew for "The Eternity of Israel Will Not Lie," according to the Jerusalem Post.

www.foxnews.com

Israel Security Agency creates new unit to hunt, kill every Hamas terrorist in Oct. 7 surprise attacks: report

The Israel Security Agency, known as Shin Bet, launched a new unit for finding and eliminating every Hamas militant involved in the Oct. 7 attacks.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

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The Israelis did this before:

Mossad assassinations following the Munich massacre - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
 

Malcolm Nance gives analysis on the Israel-Hamas War, LIVE from the Middle East​

Oct 23, 2023

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