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Subdued reaction up in the silver miners so far.

It's because I hedged for a silver price hit yesterday with the FOMC. Bought some cheap Friday $20,50 puts. Of course they hammered the miners and still won't let them up.

Homebuilders and the XHB are starting to finally roll over. Bonds getting crushed but it's perhaps just a start. All you need to know to see how RIGGED this "market" is was the target earnings. Comp same store sales plummet 5.4% and the stock opens in after-hours up $10. These stocks go wherever the bankers want them to go, for now.
 
You need any more proof they don't give a rat's a$$ about us they sent residents in Hawaii $700 while still pumping billions into a Ukraine so corrupt that Zelensky fired a bunch of corrupt officials.
 
You need any more proof they don't give a rat's a$$ about us they sent residents in Hawaii $700 while still pumping billions into a Ukraine so corrupt that Zelensky fired a bunch of corrupt officials.

It's my Hunch, and kinda an out-there hunch, I think a LOT of that money sent to the "Ukraine" ended up back in the woke ESG companies and earnings. To help prop them up and hide the true economic problems.
 
It's my Hunch, and kinda an out-there hunch, I think a LOT of that money sent to the "Ukraine" ended up back in the woke ESG companies and earnings. To help prop them up and hide the true economic problems.
Kind of a rinse and repeat of SVB and SBF for the D party con...

Same as funding Planned Parenthood...

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You need any more proof they don't give a rat's a$$ about us they sent residents in Hawaii $700 while still pumping billions into a Ukraine so corrupt that Zelensky fired a bunch of corrupt officials.
It's all for show. His only reason for getting rid of them is they got caught so he is bringing in the next bunch of corrupt officials to do a better job of not getting caught.
 
Gold DSI down to 12. Really low reading for a bull market. Locked up wallets and all that.
 
Some thoughts on the programmability of humans.

Are you programmable? Mind Control-Part 1


Readers of this Substack (who are certainly the most intelligent individuals on this planet) have noticed a concerted effort to make people stupider in all areas of life. The massive “public health” effort to make people sick is also part of this campaign, as physical and mental fitness are inseparable. There is no need for very sophisticated AI, brain frequencies, brain chips, nanotechnologies or other elaborate methods to control the menticided. The NPCs will do what Dr. Sanjay Gupta or the Yellow Bird tell them to do. Repetition of the same message will be sufficient. That is because the NPCs already turned over the control of their minds to the Yellow Bird. For the independent thinkers, no amount of technology will make them fall for the narrative. Massive censorship and coercion do not work either, and in fact only hone bullshit detectors, because a free human has good control of his or her mind. No technology can wrestle it away. It can only be relinquished voluntarily.

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Many people find our collective experience in the past few years (or decades) disheartening. So much evil has surfaced, that it is hard to gain perspective. It seems insurmountable, and the prospects are only worse. That is not true in my opinion. I see the evil, and I am disgusted by it and I would prefer that it did not exist. However, if you are reading this - you have won so far. The predators could not defeat your mind, despite the absolute technological hell they lavishly funded and unleased on you. From this position, by seeking the truth and thinking independently, staying in control of your mind you can never be enslaved.
 
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Some thoughts on the programmability of humans.

Are you programmable? Mind Control-Part 1


Readers of this Substack (who are certainly the most intelligent individuals on this planet) have noticed a concerted effort to make people stupider in all areas of life. The massive “public health” effort to make people sick is also part of this campaign, as physical and mental fitness are inseparable. There is no need for very sophisticated AI, brain frequencies, brain chips, nanotechnologies or other elaborate methods to control the menticided. The NPCs will do what Dr. Sanjay Gupta or the Yellow Bird tell them to do. Repetition of the same message will be sufficient. That is because the NPCs already turned over the control of their minds to the Yellow Bird. For the independent thinkers, no amount of technology will make them fall for the narrative. Massive censorship and coercion do not work either, and in fact only hone bullshit detectors, because a free human has good control of his or her mind. No technology can wrestle it away. It can only be relinquished voluntarily.

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Many people find our collective experience in the past few years (or decades) disheartening. So much evil has surfaced, that it is hard to gain perspective. It seems insurmountable, and the prospects are only worse. That is not true in my opinion. I see the evil, and I am disgusted by it and I would prefer that it did not exist. However, if you are reading this - you have won so far. The predators could not defeat your mind, despite the absolute technological hell they lavishly funded and unleased on you. From this position, by seeking the truth and thinking independently, staying in control of your mind you can never be enslaved.

It's called Obedience to Authority

 
It's my Hunch, and kinda an out-there hunch, I think a LOT of that money sent to the "Ukraine" ended up back in the woke ESG companies and earnings. To help prop them up and hide the true economic problems.

I think that one of the real motivators for the USA's continuous involvement in war has been budget justification. I've long believe that vast amounts of money supposedly devoted to war efforts have been diverted into other projects. Mind you these days I'm not sure that is needed any more. They don't seem to have to justify any expenditure.
 
Some thoughts on the programmability of humans.

Are you programmable? Mind Control-Part 1


Readers of this Substack (who are certainly the most intelligent individuals on this planet) have noticed a concerted effort to make people stupider in all areas of life. The massive “public health” effort to make people sick is also part of this campaign, as physical and mental fitness are inseparable. There is no need for very sophisticated AI, brain frequencies, brain chips, nanotechnologies or other elaborate methods to control the menticided. The NPCs will do what Dr. Sanjay Gupta or the Yellow Bird tell them to do. Repetition of the same message will be sufficient. That is because the NPCs already turned over the control of their minds to the Yellow Bird. For the independent thinkers, no amount of technology will make them fall for the narrative. Massive censorship and coercion do not work either, and in fact only hone bullshit detectors, because a free human has good control of his or her mind. No technology can wrestle it away. It can only be relinquished voluntarily.

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Many people find our collective experience in the past few years (or decades) disheartening. So much evil has surfaced, that it is hard to gain perspective. It seems insurmountable, and the prospects are only worse. That is not true in my opinion. I see the evil, and I am disgusted by it and I would prefer that it did not exist. However, if you are reading this - you have won so far. The predators could not defeat your mind, despite the absolute technological hell they lavishly funded and unleased on you. From this position, by seeking the truth and thinking independently, staying in control of your mind you can never be enslaved.

Did you see Schwabs right-hand man talking on Twitter? He was saying that AI wouldn't need robots to execute in the physical world because it was much simpler to manipulate humans into doing it's bidding. He was basically saying we are there now and that the human-dominated portion of history was over. It was a creepy speech.

Many years ago I listen to a cycles guy talk about a coming dark age. At the time I could see that there might be a swing back to religious fundamentalism in a depression era. Now it looks more like there might be a bloody revolution against technology and the people that create and control it. I would completely believe that the population starts fighting like a cornered rat if they perceive the degree to which this technology could be used against them. I could totally see a period after that where all science and technology will be mistrusted. If they over reach with this stuff, which let's face it they are totally going to do, they will create an epic backlash that will set us back for an immense period of time.
 

Report: 'Big Short' Investor Michael Burry Bets $1.6 Billion on Stock Market Crash​




Michael Burry of "Big Short" fame is betting more than 90% of his portfolio on a stock market crash, according to the latest SEC filings.

From CNN, "Michael Burry, of 'Big Short' fame, just bet $1.6 billion on a stock market crash":
Michael Burry, the "Big Short" investor who became famous for correctly predicting the epic collapse of the housing market in 2008, has bet more than $1.6 billion on a Wall Street crash.

Burry is making his bearish bets against the S&P 500 and Nasdaq 100, according to Security Exchange Commission filings released Monday. Burry's fund, Scion Asset Management, bought $866 million in put options (that's the right to sell an asset at a particular price) against a fund that tracks the S&P 500 and $739 million in put options against a fund that tracks the Nasdaq 100.

Burry is using more than 90% of his portfolio to bet on a market downturn, according to the filings.


[...] The S&P 500 and Nasdaq 100 have both notched big gains so far this year. They're up nearly 16% and 38%, respectively.
From Newsweek, "Warren Buffett Selling $8 Billion Worth of Stock Raises Economy Crash Fears":
Warren Buffett's firm Berkshire Hathaway sold a net $8 billion of stock between April and June in a move that suggests the U.S. economy is not out of the doldrums yet, despite consistently slower inflation.

According to Berkshire Hathaway's second-quarter earnings, released earlier this month, the company sold close to $13 billion worth of shares and bought less than $5 billion. The Nebraska-based investor's company spent only $1.4 billion in buybacks—a modest sum for the stock market and much less than the $4 billion it spent in the first quarter.

[...] Buffett "has always acted as a voice of confidence for markets during turbulent times," David Nicholas, president and founder of Nicholas Wealth Management, previously told Newsweek, commenting on Berkshire Hathaway's first-quarter stock sales. "But this marks a significant departure in his tone and positioning towards U.S. equities."

As a result of its stock sales in the second quarter, Berkshire Hathaway fattened its cash pile by 13 percent to reach $147 billion between April and June.

"When a recession is right around the corner, Buffett knows that cash is king, particularly when he can earn a decent rate of interest on it," Steve H. Hanke, a professor of applied economics at Johns Hopkins University, previously told Newsweek.

"Apparently, Buffett anticipates that the U.S. economy is headed for troubled waters. I think he is correct," Hanke, who served on President Ronald Reagan's Council of Economic Advisers, told Newsweek on Wednesday.

"The money supply is fuel for the economy, and it has been contracting over the last year. Now, the rate of contraction is -3.6%/yr., something we have not seen since 1938. Following significant changes in the money supply, the economy changes course with a lag of 6-18 months. At present, the economy is running on fumes and a 2024 recession is inevitable."

[...] So what could Buffett see threatening the U.S. economy that others don't?

In May, Nicholas told Newsweek that "the three big risks for Buffett were China, the U.S. banking sector and commercial real estate. These are very real risks for economic growth and just one would be enough to derail growth, yet we are dealing with all three at the same time."
From MarketWatch, "Mortgage rates could hit 8%, economists say, citing a worrying sign not seen since the Great Recession":
With mortgage rates firmly above 7%, homeownership has become much more expensive. But will rates go even higher?

Three experts told MarketWatch that if the economy continues to show signs of strength, and the U.S. Federal Reserve hikes its benchmark interest rate once again, rates could go up to 8%.

High rates have already taken a toll on the U.S. housing market. Even home builders, who have in recent months experienced strong demand from homebuyers, are reporting a drop in buyer traffic as those rising rates rattle their customers.

[...] Currently, the spread between the 30-year fixed-rate mortgage and a 10-year Treasury bond is around 300 basis points, which is "elevated and highly unusual," he said.

Historically, the mortgage-rate spread has only been around this level only during periods of financial crisis such as the Great Recession or the early 1980s recession," deRitis added. "The historical average is closer to 175 basis points."

If the 10-year continues to rise — and the U.S. Federal Reserve chooses to interest rates once again — it could go beyond 5%. If the spread stays elevated at 300 basis points, deRitis added, "a mortgage rate of 8% or more is a distinct possibility in the near term."
Multiple U.S. banks have collapsed over the past year, as Bitcoin.com reported in July:
A regional bank in the U.S., Heartland Tri-State Bank, was closed by the Kansas Office of the State Bank Commissioner on Friday [July 28].

[...] On March 10, Silicon Valley Bank was closed by the California Department of Financial Protection & Innovation. On March 12, Signature Bank was closed by the New York State Department of Financial Services. On May 1, First Republic Bank was closed by the California Department of Financial Protection and Innovation. Moreover, Silvergate Bank announced voluntary liquidation.
Does this look like a strong economy to anyone?

The only silver lining I can see is the war in Ukraine for now seems to be hurting the EU's economy (and Russia's) more than the US.
 
I was just thinking the same thing. Silver is actually looking pretty darn good right now, all things considered.
I just placed a small bet on some slightly out of the money SLV call option that expire in about a month. They were cheap. It was a pure casino play.
 
JUST IN Asian market shares sink to nine-month lows as China’s property giant Evergrande filed for bankruptcy on Thursday.

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So still no idea whose Coke that was in the WH? Alien invasion off the front page? They must have gotten bored now they burn their own citizens out.
 
Some silver numbers...

July saw 5138 Contracts delivered.
December is bigger than July in a normal year.
September OI sits @ 55K today,
December OI sits @ 75K today.
Total Registered Silver on the COMEX currently = 5521 contracts worth.

...and the price has been falling.


Hmmmmmm?!

I'm not sure that this maths works that well.
 
Looking at the charts from 2000 it looks like every recession Silver got hammered. 2000 was a recession and silver did nothing for 3 years. End of 2007 we went into recession and silver got cut in 1/2. 2020 also a recession and we still haven't recovered from that price wise.
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DXY Weekly, showing signs of life. Could be a possible upturn or the first test in a bottoming process.

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Some COT chat.


I used to listen to Rob a lot but turns out he was just another guru wannabe pushing gold and silver sales. What do all these gurus do when they are wrong? They all get together and have a symposium and tell everyone what's coming again. They double down on stupidity. Not once have I ever heard any of them come out and say, hey we are at a temporary top. Time to unwind your positions or go short. Notice he also says lots of things could happen. Not that they will but they could. That type of speculation should help fuel sales for which he gets a commission.
He doesn't think the Government will or can backstop the system? I have watched the US debt go from less than a trillion to 35 trillion. There is 0 reason why it cant go to 50 or 150 trillion.
 
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