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Kyiv accuses Moscow of mass abduction of Ukrainian children​

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Foreign ministry says Russia has transferred more than 1,000 children from Mariupol for illegal adoptions in Siberia

• Russia-Ukraine war – latest updates

Kyiv has accused Moscow of having organised illegal mass adoptions of Ukrainian children after transferring them from occupied territories to Russia.

Since the beginning of the war, Kyiv has been accusing Moscow of “deporting” Ukrainians, saying Ukrainians from occupied territories have been forced to go to Russia rather than other regions of Ukraine.

“The Russian Federation continues to abduct children from the territory of Ukraine and arrange their illegal adoption by Russian citizens,” Ukraine’s foreign ministry said in a statement.


Filtration and forced deportation: Mariupol survivors on the lasting terrors of Russia’s assault
“More than 1,000 children from Mariupol,” a southern Ukrainian city occupied by Russian troops, “were illegally transferred to outsiders in Tyumen, Irkutsk, Kemerovo and Altai Krai” in Siberia, the statement read.

The foreign ministry said it had based its findings on information from local authorities in Krasnodar, a southern Russian city near Ukraine.

More than 300 Ukrainian children are “held in specialised institutions” in the Krasnodar region, according to the statement.

The ministry accused Russia of actions that “grossly violate the 1949 Geneva convention” that establishes rules for humanitarian treatments in wartime and the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. It called for “all Ukrainian children, who were illegally displaced to the territory of Russia, [to] be returned to their parents or legal guardians”.

Several families from Mariupol said they had been forced to go to Russia to flee the fighting.

Goldhedge said:

More grain of salt

Kyiv accuses Moscow of mass abduction of Ukrainian children​

This article is more than 2 months old
Foreign ministry says Russia has transferred more than 1,000 children from Mariupol for illegal adoptions in Siberia

• Russia-Ukraine war – latest updates

Kyiv has accused Moscow of having organised illegal mass adoptions of Ukrainian children after transferring them from occupied territories to Russia.

Since the beginning of the war, Kyiv has been accusing Moscow of “deporting” Ukrainians, saying Ukrainians from occupied territories have been forced to go to Russia rather than other regions of Ukraine.

“The Russian Federation continues to abduct children from the territory of Ukraine and arrange their illegal adoption by Russian citizens,” Ukraine’s foreign ministry said in a statement.


Filtration and forced deportation: Mariupol survivors on the lasting terrors of Russia’s assault
“More than 1,000 children from Mariupol,” a southern Ukrainian city occupied by Russian troops, “were illegally transferred to outsiders in Tyumen, Irkutsk, Kemerovo and Altai Krai” in Siberia, the statement read.

The foreign ministry said it had based its findings on information from local authorities in Krasnodar, a southern Russian city near Ukraine.

More than 300 Ukrainian children are “held in specialised institutions” in the Krasnodar region, according to the statement.

The ministry accused Russia of actions that “grossly violate the 1949 Geneva convention” that establishes rules for humanitarian treatments in wartime and the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child. It called for “all Ukrainian children, who were illegally displaced to the territory of Russia, [to] be returned to their parents or legal guardians”.

Several families from Mariupol said they had been forced to go to Russia to flee the fighting.

Kyiv accuses Moscow of mass abduction of Ukrainian children

Foreign ministry says Russia has transferred more than 1,000 children from Mariupol for illegal adoptions in Siberia

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accuse your enemy of doing what you are doing , right out of the fascist playbook

there's more at the link below

see if you can spot the propaganda...

Russia 'suffers deadliest day of invasion yet with nearly a THOUSAND troops killed' as video shows panic-stricken soldiers fleeing on armoured vehicle which flips as it speeds away from Ukrainian attack

• Ukraine has claimed that 950 Russian soldiers were killed on Sunday as its forces continue to make gains
• It marks the deadliest day for Vladimir Putin's troops since Russia's the invasion began in back in February
• Footage has emerged showing panicked soldiers fleeing attack on armoured vehicle - only for it to flip over
• Comes as Russia tries to round up as many men as possible and push them to the front lines, regardless of skill

By RACHAEL BUNYAN FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 11:13 EDT, 31 October 2022

Nearly 1,000 Russian soldiers have been killed in one day in Ukraine, Kyiv has claimed, marking the deadliest day for Vladimir Putin since his troops invaded eight months ago.

Ukrainian forces have been making gains across Russian-occupied areas, with fighting intensifying in the country's east and in the southern city of Kherson.

In a blow to Putin's invasion, 950 Russian soldiers were killed on Sunday, pushing the Russian death toll up to at least 71,200, Kyiv has claimed.

And in yet another example of his forces' incompetence, video shows panic-stricken Russian soldiers fleeing a Ukrainian attack on an armoured vehicle - only for it to flip over and fling the troops into the air.

Footage, apparently from Kherson, shows Russian soldiers running towards an armoured vehicle as Ukrainian missiles rain down on them.

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Meanwhile, a Ukrainian great-grandmother has described how a Russian soldier raped and beat her until dawn after he burst into her home.

Lyudmila, 75, detailed how the Russian soldier punched her so hard that he broke her nose and knocked out two of her teeth before he beat her with his rifle.

The great-grandmother said the soldier, who was in his 60s, threw her on to the sofa and strangled her before he maimed her after he broke into her home in the village of Myroliubivka, near Kherson.

Lyudmila, her voice cracking with emotion, said the soldier then ripped off her clothes and raped her.

She still has the scars from where the rapist cut her stomach. 'The deep ones still haven't healed,' Lyudmila told Radio 4's Today programme.

Lyudmila's horrific ordeal - and the testimonies of hundreds of other Ukrainian women - shows how Russian soldiers have used rape as a weapon of war in the eight months since the invasion began.

The 75-year-old, detailing the hours of abuse at the hands of the Russian soldier, said: 'One night, I heard a very loud knock at my window. I saw a soldier there.

'When I opened the door, he immediately punched me in the face, knocked out two of my teeth and broke my nose. I was covered with blood.'

Lyudmila, who later fled her home with her family, continued: 'He started beating me in the chest with his rifle butt. He pulled my hair, threw me on to the sofa and began to strangle me.

'Then he began to undress me and after, he raped me.'

The great-grandmother added: 'He cut my stomach. Until now, I have scars on my stomach. The deep ones still haven't healed.'

The soldier beat Lyudmila for hours and sprayed the room with bullets. He left at dawn.

Recalling what she was thinking as she endured the hours of abuse, Lyudmila said: 'I said goodbye to my children, my grandchildren and my great-grandchildren.

'I never thought I would stay alive. Putin and the Russians will never be forgiven. There will be no forgiveness.'

The intro is gag material. Where is the HOOK to pull him off stage!?

Actors in charge. EU inflation surge. Lagarde, Mr. Putin is sick. Fantasy Russian gov in exile. U/1​

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Petal mines are illegal - a war crime







"In the Kirovsky district on the street. A 14-year-old teenager blew himself up on a "Petal" mine"

Shall we also get outraged at Ukrainian reports of war crimes by Russia (n forces)? I haven't been posting them but there are lots of them.


^ 360 citations to primary sources

Wikipedia - the 'editable' resource.

The 'problem' is in who you choose to believe.

The MSM has 'reported' thousands of Russian soldiers have been killed, yet it's the DPR soldiers (think national guard) who have been on the front. The 300K Putin is calling up are Russian soldiers.

spinalcracker said:

accuse your enemy of doing what you are doing , right out of the fascist playbook

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It's a very well known playbook... listen to the first 20 minutes of this intro for a very good example.

All one really need do is consider the last 2 years and compare that to the intro above to know who is spreading manure.

The swamp is deep and wide.

Goldhedge said:

Wikipedia - the 'editable' resource.

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360 citations to primary sources. Folks can pan wikipedia all they like (and some topics become warzones for trolls, but they notably don't have citations), but when a wiki page is good, it's just a summary of a topic with a good list of citations to primary sources.

^ the comments... lulz

... Patrick Desbois, a French Catholic priest who has devoted much of his life to researching the Holocaust and more modern atrocities elsewhere, including in Guatemala, Syria and Iraq.
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News of atrocities committed by Russian soldiers soon emerged, and Desbois’ Paris-based Holocaust research organisation, Yahad-In Unum, began to shift focus to history in real time, deploying its well-honed skills to investigate possible war crimes under way.

“I have been active in Ukraine for 20 years and I know more people in Ukraine than France, so I reconnected with this network and we immediately began employing two people on the ground to track witnesses through social media,” Desbois told Al Jazeera.

In other parts of Eastern Europe, Yahad-In Unum continues its historical research and is focusing on the Nazis’ “forgotten victims” like the Roma. But in Ukraine, all that has been put on hold so they can help gather evidence for future prosecutions. So far, the group has collected testimonies from more than 100 individuals across Ukraine about possible massacres and abuses.

“The idea is to win in court and to prove that our slogan ‘never again’ should be louder than before the war,” said Maksym Rabinovych, head of the Babyn Yar Memorial Center, Yahad-In Unum’s partner in Ukraine.
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pmbug said:

Sure, but it should be a free and uncoerced process. Not one done under duress by a foreign power.

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Like the US of A's CIA.

From May:

This report is the first to address one of the more contentious and consequential questions of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine: whether the war is genocidal in character. With fighting still ongoing, modern tools have made it vital that this question be examined and its truth made known.

With the word genocide so commonly used — and similarly disputed — allowing for a looseness of definition is unhelpful. A clear reckoning of the facts using the opportunities of modern methods of investigation together with legal analysis pursuant to applicable law is essential.

This is a project of the New Lines Institute and the Raoul Wallenberg Centre for Human Rights, which assembled three teams of experts to assess the subject. This included a team of legal scholars and genocide experts, a second group of open-source intelligence investigators, and linguists who were able to make use of the extensive primary source record this war has already created — of communications intercepts and testimonials.

The New Lines Institute and Raoul Wallenberg Centre have done extensive work on the Rohingya and Uyghur genocides — including producing the first report to make a determination of genocide in Xinjiang applying the 1948 Genocide Convention.

This report reasonably concludes that Russia bears State responsibility for breaches of Article II and Article III (c) of the Genocide Convention to which it is bound. The report also concludes that there exists undoubtedly a very serious risk of genocide, triggering States’ duty to prevent under Article I of the Genocide Convention.

This is the first report of its kind, but not the final word on the subject. We hope more will follow.
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Link to actual report:


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From September:

Russian troops forced to beat a hasty retreat in Ukraine are leaving behind evidence of war crimes and crimes against humanity. As this body of evidence grows, officials and experts are becoming increasingly convinced that Russia is committing genocide against the Ukrainian people.
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Ibrahim and Williamson said the incitement to commit genocide is itself a crime. According to Williamson, the rhetoric from Russian President Vladimir Putin, Moscow, and Russian state media “clearly indicates an intent to destroy Ukraine as a nation, to not even recognize Ukraine as a nation, to not recognize the Ukrainian people.” Putin has described Ukraine as an artificial creation.

“This is the rhetoric laying the foundations of incitement to genocide,” said Ibrahim. “And we have seen this translated into action.”
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one cannot even trust peer reviewed Abstracts let alone cited sources

we are living in the Dark Ages 2.0

Graham Phillips walks through the war torn Donetsk. UK tried him in absentia for war crimes? or 'reporting news' that doesn't fit the western narrative? Talks about the 8 1/2 years the west has been shelling Donetsk.

Donetsk: Uncensored Walk, War, Winston Churchill​

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iEarlGrey - During the attack on Sevastopol, the sea minesweeper "Ivan Golubets" was damaged
UPDATE!!! Russian MoD Claims British Specialists Behind Attack Of Sevastopol - GRAIN DEAL SUSPENDED
the viewer comments are interesting...

"BRITISH SPECIALISTS" Behind Sevastopol Attack. Russian Central Bank Releases New Statement​

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The plot 'thickens'...

"The Ukraine" section of Hunter Biden's laptop





more at link

about those labs. confirmed by the US official long in charge of the ukraine operation

and another tragic example of 'fact checker' lies -- do a search and marvel at their work

video at link



Victoria Nuland: Ukraine has “biological research facilities,” worried Russia may seize them


By Glenn Greenwald (Posted Mar 17, 2022)


Self-anointed “fact-checkers” in the U.S. corporate press have spent two weeksmocking as disinformation and a false conspiracy theory the claim that Ukraine has biological weapons labs, either alone or with U.S. support. They never presented any evidence for their ruling–how could they possibly know? and how could they prove the negative?–but nonetheless they invoked their characteristically authoritative, above-it-all tone of self-assurance and self-arrogated right to decree the truth, definitively labelling such claims false.

...........the neocon official long in charge of U.S. policy in Ukraine testified on Monday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee

pmbug said:

360 citations to primary sources. Folks can pan wikipedia all they like (and some topics become warzones for trolls, but they notably don't have citations), but when a wiki page is good, it's just a summary of a topic with a good list of citations to primary sources.

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Then use a primary source. Wikipedia has been proven to be very biased in any political area. It's only useful for mundane facts like the population of Djibouti.

Voodoo said:

Then use a primary source. Wikipedia has been proven to be very biased in any political area. It's only useful for mundane facts like the population of Djibouti.

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their 'sources' are often (communist) curated screeds written by (nyc media and dc criminals) that have less than zero credibility on many issues

Oh no! Evil Putin is up to his dirty tricks again!!

Fellas, I don't know what to tell you. If you are really outraged by war crimes, there is ample evidence that Russia has been committing them. Much as I enjoy championing facts, logic and intellectual honesty, there are only so many hours in the day and I don't have time to address all the ... misrepresented facts and unsupported claims that get posted here in the forum, much less curate 360 primary sources on the subject of Russian war crimes in Ukraine. It's unreasonable of you to ask that of me.

that depends on how 'evidence' is defined.

I'm sure this is just western propaganda to you folk, but there might be problems in paradise.

Bummer! They joined up on a promise to pay. Like that's never happened before. I suppose they could all go home?

Goldhedge said:

... I suppose they could all go home?

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lulz. in a zinc coffin perhaps.

US troops in Ukraine, inspect weapons. Serbia warned, Russia or EU. Sweden, yes to NATO nukes. U/1​

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pmbug said:

Fellas, I don't know what to tell you. If you are really outraged by war crimes, there is ample evidence that Russia has been committing them. Much as I enjoy championing facts, logic and intellectual honesty, there are only so many hours in the day and I don't have time to address all the ... misrepresented facts and unsupported claims that get posted here in the forum, much less curate 360 primary sources on the subject of Russian war crimes in Ukraine. It's unreasonable of you to ask that of me.

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i feel your pain. maybe i can lighten your load

just because somebody posts something doesnt make it true, nor does it mean they believe it. it is often added to the discussion for further research. a lot of 'unverified' posts turn out to be true with the fullness of time. and a lot of 'verified' posts turn out to be untrue. trying to get in front of that is folly

it is up to the reader to do his own digging, if so inclined

I agree to a point. However, it's easy to spam so much bullshit that folks just tune things out. No one has time to wade through so much garbage. Would be nice if everyone took it upon themselves to use a modicum of thought before throwing shit at the wall. I don't really care much for walls of shit. It's rather unpleasant.

It's gonna be a cold winter...

UKRAINE ENERGY GRID ATTACKED - UK ACCUSED - RUSSIA: HOPE FOR HUMANITY​

Vladimir Kozin in a wide-ranging conversation: Ukraine's energy grid 60% disabled; UK accused of blowing up the bridge, the pipelines, and the drone attacks on Sevastopol Harbor; Russia is humanity's hope for survival.
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cheka said:

it is up to the reader to do his own digging, if so inclined

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I agree.

Non of my posts are shit on the wall. I watch, or read them all.

It's a counter to the MSM that is so prevalent like Visa Gold... "Its Everywhere You Want To Be".

Just go ask your neighbor if Russia 'invaded', or 'liberated' Ukraine.

cheka said:

about those labs. ...

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* sigh *

https://www.pmbug.com/threads/ukraine.4021/post-42438

https://www.pmbug.com/threads/news-propaganda-and-confirmation-bias.4297/post-44362

Goldhedge said:

... Russia is humanity's hope for survival.

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Now that's comedy.