Ukraine

Goldhedge said:

That seems to be a two-way street here?

To denigrate and dismiss Kim Dotcom as an "All-round conspiracy boy" takes class. He probably is on Russia's payroll too...

So far, I've caught the west spewing more propaganda than the east. You can start with censoring RT from the gitgo. Why?

That act speaks volumes.

Then there are the rest of social media - who like the hammer boys we now know is in bed with the government, who even has a 'portal' into those media sites to ban ANYONE who poses a viewpoint that doesn't fit the west's narrative: "Putin is bad man".

We could just post western propaganda if that's what you desire?

I figure posting the east's 'propaganda' is a counterbalance to the censorship we're already blessed with by our own government. In that way, folks can make up their own minds about what constitutes truth? A novel concept I'm sure for many since they never had that choice to begin with.

I've given my interpretation. Sadly, it's not peer reviewed. It's more of a 'seat-of-the-pants' in the trenches, "I see smoke, assume there's fire" common sense viewpoint. An anecdotal survival-of-the-fittest common man's approach to reality. It's what got the pioneers across the Great Plains to make this country what it is today (before it was commandeered elsewise).

Word of advice to the naysayers here: Whenever someone says 'Conspiracy theorist'? That's the time you shuck off those mental chains and start digging deeper into what they obviously do NOT want you to know - then make up your own mind.

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Aaron Russo was right. America - From Freedom to Fascism. And they killed him for it.

That term might be the single most brilliant thing the Clowns ever did.

Goldhedge said:

To denigrate and dismiss Kim Dotcom as an "All-round conspiracy boy" takes class. He probably is on Russia's payroll too.

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You and @Voodoo both were quick to point out the author's bias (yeah, it's obvious), but left the ad hominems hanging without addressing the fact that the report at the heart of the issue claims the hacks were discovered in July and the explosion happened in September and there is no basis for "It's Done" claim except for Kim's wink-wink-nudge-nudge "it wasn't even a statement - just a question" tweet. That tweet, without even asserting that "It's done" actually happened, has become fodder for heaps of BS. That's how propaganda works.

Goldhedge said:

We could just post western propaganda if that's what you desire?

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Just saw this - skimmed too fast the first time. lol. I'd rather no propaganda at all be posted. Post facts if you can find them. Post your own thoughts if you want discussion. That's my ideal.

Lancaster bringing front line propaganda viewpoint... he's also on the 'kill' list. Married a Ukrainian woman. Shows how they target Ukrainian positions.

Russian Drone, Artillery & Electronic Warfare Destroy Ukraine Positions in Kharkiv​

In This Special Report We Go Past The Ukraine - Russia War Frontline deep Into the Kharkov region of Ukraine's "GREY ZONE" and film the whole process of Russia Forces destroying Ukrainian military positions with Drone, Artillery & Electronic Warfare. With so much news happening around Ukraine we show you what is happening in Ukraine on the Russian military positions. We let others tell you about things like Russia leaving then Rejoining the U.N., Turkey, Ukraine Grain Deal to Ship Ukraine Grain Exports, whether or not it has been Discussed to use Nuclear Weapons in Ukraine and whether or not the situation in Kherson ‘Too loud to be true’ for Ukraine or Is Russia setting a trap in Kherson.

One important question to ask is will the Ukraine War End With Negotiations or the capture of Kiev by Russian forces. Putin has time and again said he is up for Negotiations but Zelensky refuses, but amazingly if you watch the western main stream media they flat out lie saying that it is Putin who will not negotiate. I am once again showing you a exclusive special inside look into Russian forces military actions in Kharkov Ukraine that you will not see ANYWHERE else and of course I have added full English and Russian translations as always.

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pmbug said:

It was the rhetoric coming from Russia since the start of the invasion.


I posted a tweet from Julia not too long ago (feel free to search back through my posts) where it was repeated (and lamented) on a Russian talk show.

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So you are attributing a feeling/joke from a neighboring Country's President, not even a Russian, to an entire country's war plan. You do realize that is beyond hilarious. No Country will ever develop a serious game plan to invade a Country that easily. Not to mention that there could be a million other real goals and not just playing Risk here and putting a few guys on the capital and claiming a win.

Even the US thought it would be in Iraq for months to come close.

pmbug said:

Just saw this - skimmed too fast the first time. lol. I'd rather no propaganda at all be posted. Post facts if you can find them. Post your own thoughts if you want discussion. That's my ideal.

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Waaay to late for that. If one is only allowed to post absolute facts during a WWIII and not even an opinion this place will get pretty boring.

Evl Bnkr said:

I would really like to see any evidence to prove your belief that:

"Russia thought they were going to march in and take over the country in 3 days. They weren't trying to destroy infrastructure at start because they didn't expect the resistance they faced."
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also:

Here is a good 10 min interview with Lukashenko. At the 8 minute mark is right on the mark for this discussion.

So the President of Belarus' rhetoric serves as fact regarding "Russia's" thought process/strategy? I thought Russsian media was always lies, but in this case it is fact worth repeating and serving as the foundation of a whole string of conclusions? Cmon man - you said you were "on the side of facts" guy.

Can't have it both ways....

pmbug said:

also:

Russian state news accidentally publishes article saying Russia has defeated Ukraine and restored its 'historical borders'

"Ukraine has returned to Russia," the article, which ran on RIA Novosti and has since been taken down, said.

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Is that kinda like the various news stations around the US "accidentally" posting the 2022 Midterm election results?

Voodoo said:

Aaron Russo was right. America - From Freedom to Fascism. And they killed him for it.

That term might be the single most brilliant thing the Clowns ever did.

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Arron was a wakeup call for me when Freedom to Fascism came out. Looking back on it now, he barely scratched the surface.

Evl Bnkr said:

So the President of Belarus' rhetoric serves as fact regarding "Russia's" thought process/strategy? I thought Russsian media was always lies, but in this case it is fact worth repeating and serving as the foundation of a whole string of conclusions? Cmon man - you said you were "on the side of facts" guy.

Can't have it both ways....

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That seems to be exactly what they have based their "facts" upon. Lol.

Goldhedge said:

Arron was a wakeup call for me when Freedom to Fascism came out. Looking back on it now, he barely scratched the surface.

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I remember when it came out but I don't know that I ever watched the movie... Hmm. I should make a point to do that some day soon.

have to enable CC English translation (gear icon choose translate to English)

Here is a video of a Russian T-90A tank. Outside in.​

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Fellas, the 3 days rhetoric has been coming from Russia since the beginning. I took some time to search for a time dated early example and you lot jump my shit because it wasn't good enough for you. Have a look around for yourself. It's not like I made this shit up. The folks on Russian media are still claiming today that Russia thought they were going to roll in for a quick victory.

I read lots of stuff back in February about the military tactics, supply lines and such when the invasion happened (all indicating that Russia wasn't planning for or playing longball), but that was 8 months ago and I didn't save bookmarks to any of it in anticipation of satisfying your curiosity.

A bit different from the M1A1 I got to ride around in at an Army retro Depot in GA a few years back.

pmbug said:

You and @Voodoo both were quick to point out the author's bias (yeah, it's obvious), but left the ad hominems hanging without addressing the fact that the report at the heart of the issue claims the hacks were discovered in July and the explosion happened in September and there is no basis for "It's Done" claim except for Kim's wink-wink-nudge-nudge "it wasn't even a statement - just a question" tweet. That tweet, without even asserting that "It's done" actually happened, has become fodder for heaps of BS. That's how propaganda works.

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He seems to have some inside/Intelligence connections, but no I have not seen the evidence nor do I expect to see it for at least some time. I always had attributed it to the USSA but not much difference with the local UK branch. There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence. For instance, the aircraft flying around it that very day.

Plus, just because the hack first became known in July, that's not very relevant. If not patched on her phone or some accounts it could still be vulnerable in Sep.

pmbug said:

Fellas, the 3 days rhetoric has been coming from Russia since the beginning. I took some time to search for a time dated early example and you lot jump my shit because it wasn't good enough for you. Have a look around for yourself. It's not like I made this shit up. The folks on Russian media are still claiming today that Russia thought they were going to roll in for a quick victory.

I read lots of stuff back in February about the military tactics, supply lines and such when the invasion happened (all indicating that Russia wasn't planning for or playing longball), but that was 8 months ago and I didn't save bookmarks to any of it in anticipation of satisfying your curiosity.

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What on earth makes you think Russia is going to be publishing their war tactics. That would be insanely freaking dumb. So, the next question is who was publishing those articles?

@Voodoo - I never said Russia published their war tactics. I said that rhetoric from Russia was claiming a quick victory. My comment with respect to tactics was analysis from the military theater crowd that was scrutinizing what was happening in real time (back then).

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Inspectors of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) have completed their in-field verification activities at three locations in Ukraine at the request of the Government of Ukraine, Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi said today.

Ukraine’s written requests for the IAEA to send teams of inspectors were issued after the Russian Federation made allegations about activities at the three locations – the Institute for Nuclear Research in Kyiv, Eastern Mining and Processing Plant in Zhovti Kody, and Production Association Pivdennyi Machine-Building Plant in Dnipro.

Over the past few days, the inspectors were able to carry out all activities that the IAEA had planned to conduct and were given unfettered access to the locations. Based on the evaluation of the results available to date and the information provided by Ukraine, the Agency did not find any indications of undeclared nuclear activities and materials at the locations.

The inspectors also collected environmental samples for analysis at the IAEA’s safeguards laboratories and its network of analytical laboratories. Environmental sampling is a commonly used safeguards measure with ultrasensitive analytical techniques that can provide information about past and current activities related to the handling of nuclear materials.

“Upon the request of the Government of Ukraine, I immediately dispatched inspectors to the three locations to carry out their indispensable technical and independent role in verifying the facts on the ground. Within days, they went there and conducted their safeguards activities, in challenging circumstances during the current conflict in Ukraine,” Director General Grossi said.

“Our technical and scientific evaluation of the results we have so far did not show any sign of undeclared nuclear activities and materials at these three locations. Additionally, we will report on the results of the environmental sampling as soon as possible,” he said.

Director General Grossi stressed that the IAEA remained ready to conduct further such verification activities in Ukraine to verify the absence of undeclared activities and materials and thereby deter any misuse of such materials.

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pmbug said:

Fellas, the 3 days rhetoric has been coming from Russia since the beginning. I took some time to search for a time dated early example and you lot jump my shit because it wasn't good enough for you. Have a look around for yourself. It's not like I made this shit up. The folks on Russian media are still claiming today that Russia thought they were going to roll in for a quick victory.

I read lots of stuff back in February about the military tactics, supply lines and such when the invasion happened (all indicating that Russia wasn't planning for or playing longball), but that was 8 months ago and I didn't save bookmarks to any of it in anticipation of satisfying your curiosity.

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You made the point. The "3 days" was rhetoric, not facts, noone, other thatn Putin, knows what Putin was thinking. I thought repeating rhtoric was to be eschewed, we were admonished to just focus on facts instead of flinging shit if I read the posts correctly

Here's some propaganda from Ukraine side for the visual learners. I wish I could speak Russian to assure translation for any of these videos.
Just trying to be 'fair'...

Ukrainian Soldiers Describe Battle Against Russia's Vagner Mercenaries Around Bakhmut​

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty
Soldiers with the Ukrainian Army's 93rd Kholodny Yar Mechanized Brigade say they're being attacked by mercenaries from the Vagner Group -- a Kremlin-backed militia.
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Here's some interesting facts... at least they might be facts, unless they're propaganda? In which case tread slowly like walking in a mine field.

RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, NOVEMBER 2​

Nov 2, 2022 - Press ISW

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Click here to see ISW’s interactive map of the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This map is updated daily alongside the static maps present in this report.

Russian force generation efforts combined with Western sanctions are having long-term damaging effects on the Russian economy, as ISW has previously forecasted. Financial experts told Reuters that the Kremlin will face a budget deficit that will “drain Moscow’s reserves to their lowest level in years” due to projected decreases in energy revenue, sanctions, and the cost of Russian mobilization.[1] One expert predicted that payouts to mobilized men including social benefits may cost the Kremlin between 900 billion rubles and three trillion rubles (around $14.6-$32.4 billion) in the next six months. The number does not account for payouts to other categories of servicemen within the Russian forces such as BARS (Combat Army Reserve), volunteer battalions, and the long-term commitment to veterans' payments to contract servicemen, volunteers, non-military specialists who moved to occupied territories, and proxy fighters.[2] ISW previously estimated that one volunteer battalion of 400 servicemen costs Russia at least $1.2 million per month excluding enlistment bonuses and special payments for military achievements.[3]

The Kremlin is continuing to rely heavily on financially incentivizing Russians to fight in Ukraine, which will likely continue to strain the Russian economy for decades. Russian officials have been promising salaries to volunteers and mobilized men that are more than twice the average Russian civilian salary before and during Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine.[4] The Kremlin has been attempting to deflect part of the cost of the force generation effort onto Russian federal subjects but will likely need to tap into the federal budget more heavily soon. United Russia Party Secretary Andrey Turchak, for example, stated that Russian servicemen from all regions must receive uniform benefits and noted that the federal government must cover the difference if the federal subject is unable to fully compensate all participants of the “special military operation.”[5] Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) Head Denis Pushilin even acknowledged that there are insufficient measures in place to support mobilized personnel and their families in occupied Donetsk Oblast during a United Russia meeting.[6]

Whole lot more reading here:

Listen to the tone of the reporter's voices.

AFAIK 'Redacted' is NOT on Russia's payroll, I could be wrong, maybe wikipedia has better inel? Not sure Col. Douglas MacGregor isn't on friendly terms with Putin. He has an opposing viewpoint, so maybe perhaps he is?

Why is NO ONE stopping this? NATO readies MASSIVE attack, Putin sounds alarm | Redacted​

American troops are in fact on the ground in Ukraine, according to several U.S. media reports. A Pentagon official says that U.S. troops are “monitoring NATO arms deliveries.” That's a fairly vague description of what we were assured would not happen. We talk about this major mission creep with Col. Douglas MacGregor.
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This could be proof of something... not sure what though.




Just a few...

I sure hope we don't run out of diesel fuel first. Looks as if all this gear runs on it. BUT we have electric vehicles, so that shouldn't matter.

Evl Bnkr said:

You made the point. The "3 days" was rhetoric, not facts, ...

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I too wish I had an eidetic memory. I wasted way more time on this than it deserved.

March 2:

Russian troops are running short on supplies because over-optimistic commanders expected to seize Ukraine in three days, sources in Ukraine are reporting.

A news alert from Russian newspaper Pravda, citing a report from the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) read: "Putin expected to seize Ukraine in three days. This is the supply of provisions he distributed to his soldiers."

Earlier reports said President Putin had allowed five days to defeat Ukraine. The invasion took place six days ago (Thursday, February 24).
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Apologies for using a source that cites clearly biased Ukraine sources. Is there a point to being pendantic about the number of days? Are you asserting that my original comment was fundamentally wrong? Are you asserting that Putin/Russia expected a protracted fight?

From 'Ice Age Farmer'



Golden Regards
Uncle

PS. Showing Telegram posts was unexpected .

Goldhedge said:

About Clayton Morris: Clayton Morris is a former Fox News anchor. In Redacted, Clayton and his wife Natali take an in-depth look at the legal, social, financial, and personal issues that matter to you. They want to set the record straight and bring you the stories nobody else is telling. Along with the facts and the full picture, Redacted offers real-world analysis without an agency driven by corporate overloads. With Clayton’s extensive journalism experience, he isn’t afraid to demand the truth from authorities. Redacted is an independent platform, unencumbered by external factors or restrictive policies on which Clayton and Natali Morris bring you quality information, balanced reporting, constructive debate, and thoughtful narratives.​

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Clayton Morris is a apparently a really righteous dude. Commits numerous counts of fraud and then flees the country. Getting sued by state and federal governments.

July, 2019:

Facing two lawsuits in New Jersey and dozens of others across the country accusing him of fraud, former Fox News host Clayton Morris has moved out of the country.

His wife, Natali Morris, posted on her website that the couple has moved to Portugal amid fraud allegations that have led to media coverage and a host of legal issues.

"I am not one of those who rejects America," she wrote. "We had a good life there. But my husband and I have had a hard few years in our business and this collective soul challenge forced us to question everything."

Natali Morris told NJ Advance Media in an email this week that the family is moving to Portugal on temporary visas to allow their children to attend schools overseas. After moving out of New Jersey earlier this year, they initially established permanent residency in Pennsylvania, she said.

No criminal charges have been filed against the former “Fox & Friends” co-host, but Clayton Morris is facing more than two dozen lawsuits from around the country that allege he organized a scheme to defraud customers for his own financial gain by selling them Indiana rental properties with the promise to rehab and rent them, but failing to do so.
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March, 2020:

Former Fox & Friends host Clayton Morris is suing an Ohio man for $7 million for using his name and likeness in online videos critical of real estate deals Morris facilitated in Indianapolis and selling shirts that say, “I Bought This t-shirt Because They Don’t Make CLAYTON MORRIS toilet paper.”

The lawsuit filed in federal court in Ohio alleges James Wise has traded on Morris' name and likeness "and invaded his privacy to do so.” Specifically, it accuses Wise of copyright and trademark infringement, misappropriation of Morris’ name, likeness, and voice, violations of Morris’ right of privacy, unfair competition and illegal wiretapping.
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In documents filed in the case, attorneys for Morris claim Wise has damaged the reputation Morris built in 18 years as a journalist, including stints hosting Fox & Friends and Good Day Philadelphia, and in subsequent work sharing his experience as a real estate investor "in order to educate and inspire others to succeed in management of their own portfolios."
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“It is, frankly, astonishing that (Morris) is attempting to use this litigation to shift blame to Defendants for his own bad reputation when he is the subject of the highly publicized lawsuits and criminal actions brought on by his own conduct,” the attorney wrote. “Defendants are not to blame for the negative publicity, which preceded any contact between (Wise) and (Morris).”

The lawsuit was filed after Wise created and posted a three-hour "documentary" detailing investor complaints about Morris. He also created and posted a shorter video as part of a “Landlords from Hell” series. It is titled “Is Clayton Morris A Fraud.”
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He lost that lawsuit:

May 2020:

Former "Fox & Friends Weekend" host Clayton Morris and his Indianapolis business partner Bert Whalen are accused by Attorney General Curtis Hill of violating Indiana's deceptive sales and home loan acts in real estate deals involving more than 150 properties in Marion County.

Morris and Whalen deceived real estate investors about the services offered and then tried to hide their actions through numerous other deceptive acts, according to the civil complaint filed May 1 in Marion Superior Court.
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Specifically, the complaints allege that Morris, Whalen and a number of their affiliated businesses and associates violated the Deceptive Consumer Sales Act, the Business Opportunity Transactions Act and the Home Loan Practices Act.
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Morris and Whalen also are facing a number of federal and state lawsuits in connection with the home sales.

In addition, Whalen faces federal charges of wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud in New Jersey, where he has pleaded not guilty and is awaiting trial.
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None of the above necessarily invalidates whatever work he is doing with Redacted. I haven't digested any of his work.

News from Poland ~ cool drone footage dropping grenades on soldiers...

Ukrainians decimate Russian troops in Kherson 'cauldron' | Military Mind | TVP World​

Nov 3, 2022
The Mastiff - armored vehicle fared against a Russian mine. - During a joint mission with fellow troops from The International Legion, soldiers of The Belarusian Kalinoŭski Regiment came under mortar fire. - Launch The tank turret nearly into space. #TVPWorld
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Cool videos of scenic Russia and it's cultural history

I'm so PROUD of my new COUNTRY​

Nov 3, 2022
Guys, I can't be more proud of my new country. It will be the country, the last salvation of righteousness on this earth. A landmass so vast it’s hard to wrap your head around, spanning over 11 time zones and 2 continents, filled with otherworldly landscapes, countless discrete cultures and crowded cities with rather turbulent histories.

On the one side, this film shows a slice of this relentless diversity of a place rarely visited by tourists - and on the other, it is an exploration of all the different lenses, viewpoints and expectations one can apply in a travel film about a mysterious country riddled with stereotypes.

pmbug said:

Clayton Morris is a apparently a really righteous dude. Commits numerous counts of fraud and then flees the country. Getting sued by state and federal governments.

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It's fascinating how you shoot the messenger. Always your first go-to.

Never mind that he does pretty good interviews with qualified people. He also reports what is going on in the world.

As for lawfare... I know a guy who had a discount wedding venue. Charged people for weddings with a 'no refund' policy and was doing quite well until covid hit.

Because of covid the venue couldn't host more than 25 people. What wedding has only 25 people attending? They wanted their cake and eat it too. He hung on as long as he could believing that in 2 weeks we'll be back to normal. He paid vendors (food, etc.) and they too had a 'no refund' policy. Weeks turned into months. He kept booking with him thinking... this will end soon. It didn't.

Long story short, the brides were pissed that they couldn't have the 'wedding of their dreams'. They sued. Sheriff confiscated all his electronics where the contracts were kept. No defense. If any of the cases went to court he faced 30 yrs in prison for theft. Eventually he pled to one count in an Alford plea. That's where you don't admit guilt, but plea to save everyone the expense of a trial.

I went to the sentencing hearing. All the brides that attended got up to tell the judge their plight. All emotional wringing of hands yadda yadda yadda... It was quite the show, a 'performance' par excellence!

The prison sentence was 5 years, BUT the judge made sure the defense atty knew he had to file form B35. Told him 3 times in fact! All the plebes got their 'day in court' and walked away 'satisfied' the guy got punished! But good! So there! Take That! It mattered not one wit what they said, but they got their day in court!

What is form B35? An appeal to reduce sentencing! Judge knew he was innocent, not a criminal, but because of the plea he made, the judge had to follow sentencing protocol! He even said he didn't want to, but he 'had to'. After form B35 is filed the judge will revisit the sentence. The most he has to spend in jail is 6 months. All because some brides couldn't understand 'no refunds' means 'no refunds'. Nobody understood what B35 meant except for the legal beagles in court. I had to research an Alford plea and form B35 to figure it out.

So, when you bring up somebody went to court for such and such... it gets an jaundiced ear. Justice takes a huge wallet and if you don't have it, "Youse pays you's monies and you's takes youse chances." Just look at the Alex Jones show trial... a complete travesty of justice.

But I appreciate the effort.

The US midterms will prove interesting in that a 'new and improved' Congress might just shut down Brandon's attempt to hide the family corruption in Ukraine. Congressional investigations will ensue, as the wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine.

This is what I think is going to happen in the long run... finite resources of the west and manpower of Ukraine will slowly peter out. The US is cleaning out its old weapons closet. I wonder if they'll be sending over the good stuff?

Goldhedge said:

It's fascinating how you shoot the messenger. Always your first go-to.

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It's a tell-tale hallmark of the educated opposition. The stupid-smart people that can be quite dangerous. I dealt with several of them on the message board before getting kicked out, for being "racist", of course and re-finding GIM. Only time will tell here I guess.

It's also right out of the Alinsky/Commie playbook.

I too agree that much too much time has been spent on this. My point is that propaganda is a very effective tool and the whole construct of Putin expecting a 3 day war is pablum. Created out of whole cloth, fed to the media and subsequenlty pounced on like ravenous wolves clamboring for evidence to support the "Putin bad" storyline. And it persists to this day. It's how succesful propaganda works. I have absolutely no way of knowing what Putin expected so I make no assertions either way. We all believe what we choose to believe, for whatever reasons we have.

I recall a bumper sticker in the 60's/70's that read "Question Authority". That act now appears to be bordering on a criminal offense. It is very easy once you can see the brainwashing to question everything and begin to suss out the nuggets of truth that make their way out for consumption by those who understand.

I can tell you, that after 22 years in the military, reaching field grade (O-5), graduating from the Naval War College and earning a masters degree in essentially "applied statistics", I am very confortable in my critical thinking skills. Could I be wrong in my views? You bet, I'll own it if and when proven. That said, I never would have believed, and might well have assaulted, anyone in the early 1980's that suggested I would put a higher probability on the truth coming out of the President of Russia's mouth than virtually anyone in a position of leadership in the US Government/Military, yet here I am. My eyes have been opened to the layers upon layers of lies and deceipt that have been foisted on us all by all of the media, the education system, government, big pharma, the medical profession, etc. ad nauseum for well over a century, maybe much longer. And, I can tell you that the number of people that are having their eyes opened to these truths is growing rapidly, maybe now at a parabolic or even hyperbolic rate. I see it as the driver behind the expected red wave in politcal elections around the globe.

It saddens me to no end to have to admit the current condition of our nation, but I am an eternal optimist and do believe there is a path to return to the place that our country was intended to occupy in history as described by our founders. I look forward to being proud again to live in a society with the moral foundation like the one trumpeted in the opening of the Superman TV show back in the day: "Truth, Justice and the American Way" where those attributes had true meaning. I pray I am correct.

Here's 'proof' of Russian war crimes... or maybe it's Ukrainian war crimes to blame Russia? You decide.

Crime Scene: Bucha​

Nov 3, 2022
The Associated Press, @frontlinepbs and SITU Research reviewed hundreds of hours of CCTV footage, intercepts of Russian phone calls and built a 3D model to show what happened in Bucha and identify who was responsible.
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Goldhedge said:

It's fascinating how you shoot the messenger.

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You were basically taunting me to do it. I obliged. Note that while I felt compelled to address the pedestal upon which you placed Mr. Morris, that I did not address his work as I had not (and still haven't) had a chance to digest it.

Also, you et al do the same thing. If something doesn't fit your worldview, it's MSM CIA NWO reptilian alien liars and case closed without addressing anything of substance.

Voodoo said:

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We might see the world through different glasses, but I'm actually a very easy going dude with a strong emotional keel. Abide the forum guidelines (especially the part about being respectful to people) and we're cool.

If there has to be rules to engagement for war... who here is violating the rules?

pmbug said:

Also, you et al do the same thing. If something doesn't fit your worldview, it's MSM CIA NWO reptilian alien liars and case closed without addressing anything of substance.

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Maybe because past history proves there is no substance to address? We don't see it because it's commonplace for us in the west since we live IN the matrix? We are the frog in the pot of hot water?

I don't recall looking up reporters at any point to 'expose' their history. Just knowing it's the MSM I know there is a Western bias.

We all witnessed the 2020 election steal. We know the MSM was involved in the obfuscation there. The CIA is a known entity already what with Afghanistan poppy fields funding their ops.

5 eyes: The CIA doesn't spy on Americans, but by request the other 4 do and then they share intel. The 'plausible deniability policy'.

The NWO? Anyone can deny they/it exist(s), but there is plenty of smoke pointing to their involvement in reorganizing the world to fit their agenda. Call them international bankers, Soros, WEF whatever, the fact is they are actually telling the world what their plans are in advance. All one need do is watch their videos, read their notes. It's nothing new and has been going on for a century or more. People scoff at that idea and question how could that be? How could it be centuries? People don't live that long... but corporations do! Especially family corporations! They hide behind foundations controlling outcomes. Biden is their puppet, as were Obama and Hillary. Foot soldiers on the world stage.

All I'm doing is presenting what I see as being the opposite view to a contentious situation the world is in. It didn't happen by mistake. It was planned out in great detail. If I never posted anything about Ukraine we here would have the same world view: Putin bad. I don't see it like that. I'm calling them on it. The only 'aggressor' I see here is the west. There is plenty of evidence to prove that:

"We’re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." General Wesley Clark

Retired General Wesley Clark revealed to Democracy Now’s Amy Goodman in 2007 the ambitious imperial plans of the Bush-Cheney inner circle. Clark is a former four-star general. He served as Supreme Allied Commander of NATO during the conflict in the former Yugoslavia.
War is a Racket Major General Smedley Butler

Exactly who is 'programming' this?

The point is we're but a twig in the river of consciousness. By design, we're powerless to change things. Our our supposed voice, our precious vote has been usurped. The last election proved that. That is what 'education' has done for the nation. We're fed a line of BS a mile long and 12 to 18 years of it at that! The more I learn about history the more I realize everything was a lie. A fantasy designed to garner compliance. My country, My God, My job, My world view is preprogrammed to that end. We are empty vessels to be filled with their* propaganda.

*the real question is who are they? It certainly is NOT organic, nor 'Constitutional'!

Does Russia (or China) have that same world view? Possibly, Russia is no longer the USSR, but in listening to Putin's speech (before entering Ukraine) about the history of the Rus, he sees exactly what he spoke about: The US, via NATO, wants to Balkanize Russia and steal its resources. Putin is looking out for his people, his culture, his history. What are we looking out for? We know nothing about their history, nor our own! We're too busy consuming and 'enjoying' life!

I don't see the US being threatened by anything like NATO in the world. Russia used to be our ally. Our Russian Ally (1945)

Even Ike warned us about the MIC. Yet here we are as a nation doing what the world doesn't want. We should not be colonizing the world ala our British imperialist model. What we should be doing is avoiding foreign entanglements and trading with the world as G Washington said.

So, long story short...

There's more going on here than what we are led to believe. I think the real reporting comes from the indy reporters on the ground. Especially when they are banished and penalized financially by the west who supposedly touts itself as being above reproach. Not everything is Russian propaganda.

If you happened to watch the short video above "Crime Scene: Bucha" you come away with the wests insistence (programming) that Russia is a war criminal. I see it as a war propaganda film prepping the youth for the next big war. Hollowood is good at that. Even in the 1940's! Total BS. Western propaganda. We "TV children" aka 'mushrooms' are so easily programed.


That's where I'm coming from....

edit to add: I'm not alone in this assessment! The rest of the world (85%) sees it too and are tired of US hegemony!